how would i use those in live?
say part 2 level
i send cc 98 (NRPN LSB) [16] or is it [12]
then cc 99 (NRPN MSB) [10] or is it [42]
then i send cc 101 (rpn MSB) values?
because it doesnt work
ok i figured i was reversed with MSB and LSB, so i manage to send 1 nrpn per scene, as as soon as another clip say part 3(ghost snare, part 2 being main snare), has automation it changes the NRPN "focus" so it's only 1 parameter per electribe at 1 time, is there a way around it, i can't see one as it will always get the last one called
edit: i asked sowhere else and got carried away so here is more details about what i want to do
so, based on a few forum post around the web, i know it's possible with some hacks to get the esx to control live on a pc
but i'm on a mac, and i dont want to have to use a bunch of convoluted software hacks to do it, and also, i mostly want to do the oposite, i want to have automation in live sent to some esx parts
first, the forums i found the info on
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=59898&
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4617892
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... p?p=413180
ok, first let me explain a bit about my session and setup
i used to have all sequencing in the tribe, but to play the new album live, i needed linear sequencing so i exported the midi from logic to live
i really want to have each drum part on its own track in live so my column setup is something like this
kick - snare - ghost - clap - perc - closed hat - open hat - rev crash - crash - and so on*
(since i also work that way in logic it was a pretty easy transition
the electribe doesnt give a f*ck about velocity, so all my carefulle constructed snare rolls are crap at best when played by the tribe (ok, i know i could just use impulse, but again, i built this setu pto have every sound on it's own physical input (to a certain extend, i separated kick on 3 snare on 4 and hats percs and cymbals on 1-2, and my soundcard 10 outs are already used anyway)
anyway, i digress, but let me continue my story
i managed to find a way to send NRPN from live to the tribe
so i setup on part 2, send cc98-99 and 38 with the set values for level (42-12-1 IIRC) and use cc6 data entry to make a volume curve to replace my destroyed velocity creshendo, it works, then later in the song part 3 does a roll so in part 3 clip i send again CC8-99-38, this time with values to ge part 3 to level (72-12-1) but since it all clip long, when played, at the time where part 2 was creschending(lol) nothing happens, so i figure part 3 messed it up, so i put envelope breakpoints to isolate the 2, and it works
now comes the tricky part, how do i send BOTH at the same time(i need to csrechend (lol again) part 1 2 and 3 at 1 spot in many of the songs
is there a way or i'm i screwed
i thought of automating the HW mixer, would somewhat work for kick(alone, would be fine, but again, i play with those faders and the final value from the soft may be below what was previously hand set and steal all punch from the buildup, also, snares are mixed on out 4 (snare and ghost and clap) so a build up of snares but with a steady level clap would be messed
any thoughts?
* for geeks only, of you don't care about the setup you can skip this part and not lose any info for the issue discussed, i just feel like talking about it
the actual live session is more like this as at the moment(because i'm SO gonna save and get a presonus 24 mixer) uses my soundcard (MOTU Traveler) as a submixer into the MOTU midi mixer
the motu inputs are kick, snare, stereo drums, er1 stereo, kaossilator, and 2 mics(talkbox and vocal) (drums are sent to out 1-2 and the mics to out 3-4
the mixing is not done in the card as there is no easy way to map controllers(mackie only) to the dsp mixer(which would be better than using live as a mixer)
the outs are then fed in the midi mixer
IN 1 - MOtu 1-2
IN 2 - Motu 5-6
IN 3 - TX81z
IN 4 - MKS50
IN 5 - DX200
IN 6 - NOrd
IN 7 - MOTU 3-4
IN 8 - (is just a vca, so it gets used as a volume for aux in 2, kaoss pad 3)
aux IN 1 - Kaoss pad 2 return
aux IN 2 - In 8 output
as for outs 7-8-9-10of the MOTU they are plugged (but not used) in the aux sends of the midi mixer with y plugs so i can have send from just the snare in the kaoss (oh yeh, aux 1 sends to kp2, aux 2 to kp3)
soooooo
mixing of those parts is done in live, plus insert fx on the talkbox (pumper and grain shifter)
so my session column is as follow
(ill go per line as the formating will be messed up)
1 - kick - mono - out 1-2
2 - snare - mono - out 1-2
3- drums - stereo out 1-2
4 - er1 - stereo out 1-2
5 - k01 - stereo out 1-2
6 - talkbox - mono out 3-4
7 - mic - mono out 3-4
8 - spacer
9 - sidechain signal for the live compressors on all -pler and talkbox)
10-VocalPler - stereo out 5-6 (for playing a capellas audio)
11-zikpler Stereo out 5-6 (for playing instrument audio parts) (both of these are legacy, i used them for live remix
12-DrumPler stereo out 1-2
13-AlbumPler steeo out 5-6 (additional tracks i cannot play live) (those 2 are only there for the album part of the set)
14-spare track (muted and disabled, for rejected/unused/not needed files i might need one day)
15-MIDI loopback 1 (when using the tribe as a sequencer, routing isntrument part 2(MKS) in the nord(actually the reverse for technical reasons)
16-MIDI loopback 3 (Part 2 to vocoder (stupid pedal is channel 16 only)
17-spacer
18-Kick
19-Snare
20-Ghost
21-Clap
22-Closed
23-Open
24-Reverse
25-Crash
26-Closed 2
27-Open 2 (the 2 stretch part on the ESX)
28-Slice (pretty much unused as i havent figured out hot to advance steps on that track lol)
29-spacer
30-tx
31-mks
32-dx
33-nord
34-vocoder
there is about 500 scenes in the session but at the moment only about 250 are used, but as i transfer all sequencing data from the tribe (256 patterns, many will take like 10 scenes to hold all variations
some scenes will be exact midi duplicates but have diff vocalpler or zikpler (most remixes i do have pretty much the same backing notes, but diff words and stuff)
anyway, i was having an issue and i made a huge dissertation lol, i think i'll post the addendum as a blog post, i never described my setup in that much details (not that part anyway)
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