Sampling a whole keyboard - STEP BY STEP

[alanjpearson]

Yes, I am being lazy but rather than spend an hour poring over the manual or follow a Youtube which doesn't quite do it, can anyone give a line by line explanation of how to do this most easily?

I want to sample my Mellotron to get the Mk2 Church Organ on the Kronos.
I'm familiar with how to do that on Roland kit but not tried on the K.
Roland have an autosample feature that triggers on each key press and readies the next sample - I want to do a key by key sample.

Any pointers gratefully received.

R
Alan

[SanderXpander]

You have an actual old school Mellotron, or one of the new ones with midi, or a software version?

No matter which you have, I hope you plan to do the actual sampling, editing and mapping on the computer as it's a lot easier.

[alanjpearson]

You have an actual old school Mellotron, or one of the new ones with midi, or a software version?

No matter which you have, I hope you plan to do the actual sampling, editing and mapping on the computer as it's a lot easier.

It's an M4000D and I'm open to ideas.

In the past I just did it key for key into my Akai or Roland, it was a bit boring but hardware samplers were easy enough to do the sample/edit/mapping quite easily.

[SanderXpander]

Well there is no reason you couldn't do it on the Kronos but as far as I know it doesn't have an autosampling feature. Does the M4000D also simulate the "tape running out"? If so, the easiest way I know would be to use Extreme Sample Converter's autosampler. Specificy the key range and sample length and leave to get some coffee. You can export directly to a soundfont which the Kronos can read.

If you need to loop samples you have to get a bit lucky with the automatic loop finder.

[alanjpearson]

Well there is no reason you couldn't do it on the Kronos but as far as I know it doesn't have an autosampling feature. Does the M4000D also simulate the "tape running out"? If so, the easiest way I know would be to use Extreme Sample Converter's autosampler. Specificy the key range and sample length and leave to get some coffee. You can export directly to a soundfont which the Kronos can read.

If you need to loop samples you have to get a bit lucky with the automatic loop finder.

The nice thing is the M4000D can be set to 8 seconds or loop, so if you like living dangerously live you can
I'm surprised that the Kronos doesn't have a nifty routine on-board to just grab a sample, store it then grab another one - technology has not moved on in this case!

[SanderXpander]

I have to admit not being an expert on this. The Kronos does have something called "Auto Sampling Setup" but as far as I understand it doesn't really do auto sampling the way we're talking about it. I've never really dug in though as it seemed easier by far to me to use the computer.

[BobTheDog]

I think it is really "setup some parameters automatically"

[burningbusch]

There might be a fairly straightforward way of doing it within the Kronos. Looks like you can set length, so setting for ~8 seconds should give you an auto stop. If that is then mapped into the multisample and the next recording goes into the next index in that multisample, I don't know. There is also an autoloop function. I never sample this way say I can't say how well all this works.


My process is to record each note in Protools. Edit, rename in Protools. Use Izotope RX for normalization and noise reduction. Map samples into Kontakt. Convert Kontakt to Kronos using Chicken Systems Translator.

Busch.

[alanjpearson]

Well i rolled my sleeves up and got stuck in.
And 1.5 hours later I was not really any further forward.
I find the documentation does not give enough description of the logic of the sampling process.

Not good but I thought this might be the case.
I fear several more hours are required to get command of what should be a simple process

[seapea]

I want to sample my Mellotron
Any pointers gratefully received.

R
Alan

I use SAMPLE ROBOT 4 Pro. Available for Mac or PC. Works reliably and still getting updates made. Highly recommend. Bit pricey but works, takes the masochistic factor out of sampling. Can do multi velocity level, auto sampling. Export as sf2. Import into Kronos, make user KSC , and it streams off SSD , using only small amount of ram. Brilliant

[geoelectro]

Yesterday I decided to take a sample of my FX-1 organ. I connected the headphone jack of the organ to the two Kronos inputs. I planned to take two samples per octave since organ sounds transpose quite easily.

I deleted the existing (default) MS in the sampler. I set the key range to 6. I set the first recorded note to the first Eb in octave one. Set the level by pressing the Sampling Record button. Then, pressed the organ key down, pressed start/stop under sampling and let it record for about 4 seconds.

Hit create for the next sample and set the root key to the next A in octave one. Took that sample and repeated until the five octave range was covered.

This took about 10 minutes. Then I looped each sample for an additional 30 minutes or so. Saved etc.

It sounds so weird playing the Kronos and hearing the Yamaha FX-1 sound!

Geo

[alanjpearson]

Yesterday I decided to take a sample of my FX-1 organ. I connected the headphone jack of the organ to the two Kronos inputs. I planned to take two samples per octave since organ sounds transpose quite easily.

I deleted the existing (default) MS in the sampler. I set the key range to 6. I set the first recorded note to the first Eb in octave one. Set the level by pressing the Sampling Record button. Then, pressed the organ key down, pressed start/stop under sampling and let it record for about 4 seconds.

Hit create for the next sample and set the root key to the next A in octave one. Took that sample and repeated until the five octave range was covered.

This took about 10 minutes. Then I looped each sample for an additional 30 minutes or so. Saved etc.

It sounds so weird playing the Kronos and hearing the Yamaha FX-1 sound!

Geo

Thanks, yes, I'm getting there, I'll post again when totally sorted

[alanjpearson]

Yesterday I decided to take a sample of my FX-1 organ. I connected the headphone jack of the organ to the two Kronos inputs. I planned to take two samples per octave since organ sounds transpose quite easily.

I deleted the existing (default) MS in the sampler. I set the key range to 6. I set the first recorded note to the first Eb in octave one. Set the level by pressing the Sampling Record button. Then, pressed the organ key down, pressed start/stop under sampling and let it record for about 4 seconds.

Hit create for the next sample and set the root key to the next A in octave one. Took that sample and repeated until the five octave range was covered.

This took about 10 minutes. Then I looped each sample for an additional 30 minutes or so. Saved etc.

It sounds so weird playing the Kronos and hearing the Yamaha FX-1 sound!

Geo

This is pretty much it but misses all of the key details!:roll:

1) DO read through from page 123 in the Operations Manual.
It's worth trying the example in pg 135 just to see how the process works.

2) Start from switch on, or if you have been playing around make sure you switch off and on again to reset the parameters.

3) Decide where you are going to put the samples - my choice was straight into a directory on the HDD to make sure I knew where they were, to simplify loading and make it easy to name them.
From pressing the SAMPLING button you need to click the drop down menu and select the directory to save samples to.

4) Set the input signal levels - in my case I used both inputs so you can follow the examples on page 135, just substitute "save to disk" for "save to RAM".

5) Instead of starting sampling with the SAMPLE START switch I used the THRESHOLD option, which means that you set the SAMPLING RECORD then START STOP buttons and sampling only starts when the incoming signal level hits 20dB, so you get a clean signal start - you press START STOP to stop the sample.

6) Once you have recorded all your samples you can hear them by going to the DISK menu, finding the directory you used to save them and pressing play to hear each one.

7) In my case I needed a multisample, which allows you to set the sample at the right position of the keyboard. So I needed a Multisample with 37 indexes, one for each key I sampled. Follow page 133 of the Ops Manual and assign your samples to the relevant key.
Don't forget to "SAVE ALL" as stated on page 146 or you will lose your Multisample and indexes!

You can now convert the Multisample to a Program as described on page 146 and you will now be able to play your samples on the keyboard!

Remember to save the program!