Importing midi, and converting to style problem

[Sam CA]

ok guys, i watched this section of the DVD tutorial like 15 times, but it's not working at all.

All he did was that:

1) he goes to style play mode first
2) presses Record
3) chooses "Record new style" option
4) picks "intro 1" for Element
5) Then, presses "menu"..."import"....hits on SMF tab
6) chooses Intro 1 -CV1 for "To E/CV",
7) locates the midi file and selects/executes it
goes back to the previous main page, and hits START/STOP button, and it plays back the intro.

I swear i did the same thing over and over, but it's not working. In the tutorial it shows that once he executes the select function, as soon as he returns to the main page, record length/CV length have changed from default (2) to 10 or whatever. But when i execute the select and go back to the same page, i'm still showing the default (2) , although my intro it's 12 measures. and when i hit start , it plays the mentronome beats and that's it..so obviously the file it's not there. ....why? i have no idea......please advise.
By the way, there's only less than half of page info about importing midi in the manual. (page 131)

[rikkisbears]

Hi ,
is your midifile saved as Midifile 0 format, NOT midifile 1 format??
If it's not midifile 0 , it won't load ( import).
Also make sure the tracks are correctly assigned
ie
Bass midi channel 9
Drums 10
Percussion 11
Accomp 1 12
Accomp 2 13 etc

I don't have the dvd's so I'm not sure what info you've actually got.
best wishes
Rikki

[quote="Assyrianpianist"]ok guys, i watched this section of the DVD tutorial like 15 times, but it's not working at all.

[Sam CA]

Hi ,
is your midifile saved as Midifile 0 format, NOT midifile 1 format??
If it's not midifile 0 , it won't load ( import).
Also make sure the tracks are correctly assigned
ie
Bass midi channel 9
Drums 10
Percussion 11
Accomp 1 12
Accomp 2 13 etc

I don't have the dvd's so I'm not sure what info you've actually got.
best wishes
Rikki

Hey Rick, thanks.

as far as midi format goes, i'm sure it's 1 and not 0, because i understand that format 0 if only one track with all the info in it. but format 1 it's a file with different tracks each assigned to a different channel , with channel 10 reserved for drums and percussion right???

unfortunately, they didn't go over any of these things so that didn't help much. But the file i'm trying to import it's a general midi file with seperate tracks up to 10. Channel two assinged to the bass, channel 1 to melody, channel 3 to brass, channel 4 to strings...drums to 10 and such.

I was just thinking if the voicing was wrong, still i should've heard some stuff but with the wrong sounds. But i don't think if it's even importing it.

i

ok guys, i watched this section of the DVD tutorial like 15 times, but it's not working at all.

[Sam CA]

Hi ,
is your midifile saved as Midifile 0 format, NOT midifile 1 format??
If it's not midifile 0 , it won't load ( import).
Also make sure the tracks are correctly assigned
ie
Bass midi channel 9
Drums 10
Percussion 11
Accomp 1 12
Accomp 2 13 etc

I don't have the dvd's so I'm not sure what info you've actually got.
best wishes
Rikki

ok guys, i watched this section of the DVD tutorial like 15 times, but it's not working at all.

OK, I changed the format to 0, and it did import it. So thanks a lot for the tip. now, as far as assigning channels, how is this different from regular sequencing. Don't you have a capability of 16 channels and the only thing that you need to worry about is that the drum track has to be assigned to 10? for example, the bass track can be assinged to 1 or 9, or 16, it shouldn't make a different right, or it does? if it does, how many tracks do i have to work with ? and are certain channels reserved for certain sounds only?

[rikkisbears]

Hi,
not for style tracks, you only have 8 channels. I'm guessing but the other 8, would be used by the 4 pads & the l/r melody parts ??
Default as far as I'm aware are
Bass midi channel 9
Drums 10
Percussion 11
Accomp 1 12
Accomp 2 13
Accomp 3 14
Accomp 4 15
Accomp 5 16

Not saying these channels can't be changed, I haven't checked into it, but I've found it easier to stick to the default setup. Saves confusion in the long run.

You can change the useage of a track ie you could assign
Accomp 5 to be a bass track or an additional drum track,
it's incredibly flexible in that regard..

Sounds aren't reserved for certain channels.

Should you decide to do more than 1cv for a a variation, fill etc,
suppose you've chosen nylon guitar for variation 1, accomp 1, cv1 you'll be stuck with the same nylon guitar for variation 1, accomp 1, cv2, cv3 etc

You can have different sound on variation 2, accomp 1 cv1, though..

best wishes
Rikki

ok guys, i watched this section of the DVD tutorial like 15 times, but it's not working at all.

OK, I changed the format to 0, and it did import it. So thanks a lot for the tip. now, as far as assigning channels, how is this different from regular sequencing. Don't you have a capability of 16 channels and the only thing that you need to worry about is that the drum track has to be assigned to 10? for example, the bass track can be assinged to 1 or 9, or 16, it shouldn't make a different right, or it does? if it does, how many tracks do i have to work with ? and are certain channels reserved for certain sounds only?[/quote]

[garabed02]

Hi to all

I see that this tips is interesting for all of us. Please Does anybody knows how to convert midi 1 to 0 please?

Thanks

[Sam CA]

Hi to all

I see that this tips is interesting for all of us. Please Does anybody knows how to convert midi 1 to 0 please?

Thanks

Most software sequencers give you options when exporting/saving midi files. Big guys like pro tools, cubase..etc ..do this for sure, but you can also check into Band in a Box.

[garabed02]

Thanks Assyrianpianist

I also have Cubase SX 3 but I dont know how to do it because I never did it.

Regards

[Sam CA]

Hi ,
is your midifile saved as Midifile 0 format, NOT midifile 1 format??
If it's not midifile 0 , it won't load ( import).
Also make sure the tracks are correctly assigned

ok guys, i watched this section of the DVD tutorial like 15 times, but it's not working at all.

Rick, one question about 0 format. Once you do that, it squashes all the tracks in 1 track, right? so then what happens to the individual channel information once you import it into the keyboard? do they all get assigned to the same voice, and you have to do the revoicing all over again?

[rikkisbears]

Hi,
no. If you actually have the correct bank & program changes in your midifile they should be assigned to your style tracks automatically. If not ,then you just change them manually.

best wishes
Rikki

Hi ,

Rick, one question about 0 format. Once you do that, it squashes all the tracks in 1 track, right? so then what happens to the individual channel information once you import it into the keyboard? do they all get assigned to the same voice, and you have to do the revoicing all over again?

[Sam CA]

I think it was Rick who mentioned something about the key of the midi file before. My question is :

when you want to import a midi file that you want to make a style of, does it have to be in the key of "C" or "Cm", and then keyboard will automatically transpose it, if you wanted to use that style to play a different key?

Because i imported a midi file that was in the key of Gm, and after saving it as a style i noticed it doesn't sound right keywise. I mean i'm trying to use it in a key of Gm, but it's a transposed version of it!

[A.K.]

You know this would be a great tutorial if someone could use Cubase with pa800. I would definately pay for it. Someone should make a video tutorial for this and it would save all of us a lot of help. I have tons of midi files and my own sequnced songs on cubase sx. But how to import it or even cross connect the two is painful. We really could use this tutorial. This will really take these arrangers to the next level.

Problem is we are used to software versions that are so easy to use and when it comes to small little screen of pa800 its hard to navigate or even understand the difference between the two technologies.

If there is anyone who is pro enough who knows how to do this in Souther California, I would be interested in learning from them!! Of course I would pay $$ for it.

Armaan

[Rob Sherratt]

This problem did not occur on the Pa1x we used to film the DVDs. Some friends and I recently did some testing on a Pa2x, trying to to do SMF import into Style intros and we confirm that there is a software defect. We have reported this to Korg. It will be up to someone from Korg to comment at this point ...

[Sam CA]

You know this would be a great tutorial if someone could use Cubase with pa800. I would definately pay for it. Someone should make a video tutorial for this and it would save all of us a lot of help. I have tons of midi files and my own sequnced songs on cubase sx. But how to import it or even cross connect the two is painful. We really could use this tutorial. This will really take these arrangers to the next level.

Problem is we are used to software versions that are so easy to use and when it comes to small little screen of pa800 its hard to navigate or even understand the difference between the two technologies.

If there is anyone who is pro enough who knows how to do this in Souther California, I would be interested in learning from them!! Of course I would pay $$ for it.

Armaan

Hey Arman, that's exactly how if feel too. It's so nice and easy to work in a sequencer and it would be awesome just to be able to import that midi file into keyboard and then just worry about voicings and effects later.

[Sam CA]

This problem did not occur on the Pa1x we used to film the DVDs. Some friends and I recently did some testing on a Pa2x, trying to to do SMF import into Style intros and we confirm that there is a software defect. We have reported this to Korg. It will be up to someone from Korg to comment at this point ...

Hey Rob,
If this is a problem, it sounds little bit more than just a software defect. it's sounds more like a serious problem to me. lol so, you think can you share some info regarding this with us? should it matter what the key of the original midi file is? is there a certain rule about the key of a midi file that we want to import to make a style out of?