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reddone Senior Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 425 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject: Groove tubes Ecc83 ... they came at last ...... |
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Finally , after months waiting for these pre-amps they're here , and Definatly a good buy !!
First , clipping sounds dont really make much of an appearance anymore .
I'm not sure why that happens but its somethiing i never expected would be rectified .
Also ( big one for tha mx ) when tubes are up at max with loads going on u can still hear everything , but in a qaulity fizzly ( much more noticable than standard tubes ) kinda tone . Even when my mx was brand new i was dissapointed at the funny metalic-like buzzing the tubes made with alot of bass , not so now , BIG improvement
instanly All harmonics take a step up even at no tube level ( although sound actually goes thru the tubes at all times , just a little or alot ) and up higher , sounds have a bigger impact on the tubes giving the mx even more of a distinct tone . U'll b amazed at how even a little tube effect can change ur tone .
I held down a BASSY tone n slowly added gain , the changes were much more noticable , more like what u would've preffered in the first place from tubes ... the mx sounds much better without my compressor now .
U can hear the difference 4 sure , more refined yet capable of a better electric/grit effect on ur mix . Also they sound as if they compress more too . ( basically when u turn the tubes up there is alot of change in tone but not so much in volume )
bear in mind that all tubes will have distinct characteristics , so if u get new ones keep ur old ones 4 sure . Mine are flat as a pancake after 5 years , but still hav uses .
Ok , trust me .... Upgrade .
Hope i cover all plus points ( except i got a dodgy nipple on one of my new boobs !?... nevermind ) . get em in boys , get em in ..... l8tr |
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anselmi Full Member
Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 184 Location: montevideo, uruguay
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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WOWWWWW
AT LAST!!!!
I was waiting for that too...
Please upload some example files with exact parameters so we could compare it with our standar tubes!!!!
CONGRATULATIONS MAN!!!!...great news for all SX/MX owners!!! |
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Ruso Platinum Member
Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 984 Location: Sammamish, WA
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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recording kinda kills the tube sound... :-/ at least to a point... |
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musikmachine Senior Member
Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 351
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:40 am Post subject: |
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Cool man,glad to hear it.Are they the GT ECC83-S?Who did you get them from?I have found them in a couple of places so ihope it won't take months
Easy to install?From what i read you don't even need tools.And finally,has the white noise gone?
Cheers! _________________ Soundz musik |
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reddone Senior Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 425 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: |
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noise is greatly reduced . unfortunatly , the popping/clippyness showed up again although definatly not as bad .
As ruso said tho , its almost pointless recording examples cos of mp3 damage . I'll see what tones i can make tho , i'm sure the tone will be just about evident .
Ecc38s is what ur after , no u dont need to mess with anythin , they just plug in an and ur away . instantly my L-R balance was restored.
Also , i must add that my friend has a 3 month old Mx and Gt's definatly have a more pro sound than standard tubes .
EH's Ax7's are ok , but i realise now how much they ARE the final tone of the Mx/Sx , and that the tone offered isnt of a complexity that compliments these machines fully . ( have u ever noticed that at times the mx can sound a bit squeeky ? ... it down to ur tubes )
I had to settle 4 second best tubes , who knows what the best do .
Anyway , my old tubes still hav an advantage of being able to blend n merge sounds cos they are flat ... but other than that they're used .
Shop around local stores maybe n try out tubes to see what tone suits u best , i'm gonna try some others too , im intrigued . |
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anselmi Full Member
Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 184 Location: montevideo, uruguay
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: |
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reddone3 wrote: | As ruso said tho , its almost pointless recording examples cos of mp3 damage . I'll see what tones i can make tho , i'm sure the tone will be just about evident . |
i don´t think that a simpe mp3 compresion will ruin the sound to the point of not been able to har the differences
but if you worry about it then upload short mono wavs |
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reddone Senior Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 425 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:13 am Post subject: |
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What i'll do is , play around making sounds 4 a while n upload it to the site i put wavs up . I'd rather no go to all te bother of mp3 uploading 4 this , its just not worth it .
The thing is , if u listen to a long fading sound , at the end u should notice ( on original tubes ) that "bitty" kinda tail gradually break down til fade .
On the new tubes the same sounds will fade out with a fine "bitty/grit" .
This'll get lost most likely .
Mp3 will break up the lquality signal the tubes give , so ... i'll upload a nice tweak session in wav 2nite |
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anselmi Full Member
Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 184 Location: montevideo, uruguay
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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excellent!
thanks a lot!
tell us about the replacing process...my skills in that kind of things are really poor...it´s a dificult task?
also tell us about where you get the tubes, the exact modle and the price...I really tempted to upgrade both my EMX and ESX to the groovetubes status! |
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reddone Senior Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 425 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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replacement is no problem . Just unscrew that back plate off , and pull ur tubes while wiggling them in a circular motion . I havnt had to tune the tubes to balance them neither ( luckily ) , but u mite if the tubes r not balanced well .
model : Gt Ecc83s , price: £12 each ... But , groove tubes hav had to find a new factory in russia , so they are thin on the ground , u'll hav to do a bit of hunting i'm afraid .
The real teller in sound was when i hold a note from default "dual osc" setting . Subs n smooth simple analog's sound more authentic .
U'll hear urself tho , i'm gonna just record me f*ck*ng around with tones as the drums will be harder to notice changes . Cant wait to get home ..... |
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musikmachine Senior Member
Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 351
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Cool
Look forward to it. _________________ Soundz musik |
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inducejack
Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 38
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the review Red |
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Ruso Platinum Member
Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 984 Location: Sammamish, WA
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:32 am Post subject: |
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coolio mine came in too... I went with jj electronic ECC803S with golden pins.... reason being that they're smooth tubes with not much distortion... I don't like using the drive knob at all because it distorted too much but with this tube model it's very smooth distortion just adds very clean dynamics.... very fast shipping I ordered on sunday.... |
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reddone Senior Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 425 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Glad ur pleased dude !! ... the difference allows alot more scope eh . I find that the drive knob has a completly different effect in my mixs now ( much cooler ) . look 4ward 2 hearing ur new stuff sometime . Nice one . |
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mish mash Junior Member
Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 74
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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Wow nice 1 Red I didn't know that you could update it like that.....intiging ...very.I think mines are 12ax7eh or that's what's on them...I think i may take a closer look at it
thanx for sharing this _________________ it's not how big you grow, it's how far you go!
Emx 1
Esx 1
Kp3
Zero 8
PCR 500
Mac book pro
cdj 1000 |
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mish mash Junior Member
Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 74
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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OK cool Ichecked it out and ll get them asap but a vital question remain now.Which ones to choose GT-ECC83-S or ECC803SJJ difficult choice
There's the link to GT-ECC83-S : http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Groove-Tubes-Gold-Series-GTECC83S-Preamp-Tube?sku=212204
Now I think I ll have to buy two sets and just compare but it's true what you said Red about the metallic sound on the bass it was the 1st i though was not great.....anyway lets get some new tubes man!!! _________________ it's not how big you grow, it's how far you go!
Emx 1
Esx 1
Kp3
Zero 8
PCR 500
Mac book pro
cdj 1000 |
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