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Count2Four123 · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject:

So, the talk is out that our beloved OASYS will be discontinued ?! On the danger of being flamed and roasted on this forum, i want to give you a couple of my thoughts - thoughts that have been dwelling in me for quite a while... Smile

I know, it's not very appreciated on this and other forums to speak out your opinion, but since i don't see the KORG guys as almighty gods (yes, they are just people, like you and me), i dare to criticize.

Okay, let's face the facts: We always knew that this day would come, most likely sooner than later. Personally i am not very happy if this decision turns out to be true, because - as i always stated in the past - the OASYS was sold to me on the idea that this was some kind of open environment solution, where third party developers would contribute to the system. Of course, his never happened (except for the KARO stuff). And when i look back now i feel that i never really got from KORG what was promised to me in the first place.

I don't want to sound unthankful, the OASYS is a mighty fine instrument, but what DID we receive in the end ? Part of the (incomplete) LEGACY collection, overpriced in a way (when you compare it to the VST and AU versions). The FM thingie ... okay we had that in the DX7 since a long time ago. The Brass Library - which was a good one... again, only available for a substantial price.

Look for a comparison to what the M3 users received - for free - as a present ... a mighty new preset bank ! How many was it ? Like 500 new presets ?? Jesus Christ, that's what an OASYS user can only dream about. Also, the M3 users can stick the RADIAS in their workstations butt - easy breezy - and make it an even more powerful instrument, for a very reasonable price. Makes you kind of sick, when you think about it for to long.

The big question for me is: What does the future bring ? Do the guys at KORG really believe that all the good people who spent their precious money for the original OASYS will just say "Nice deal, they treated us well, now let's buy the OASYS 2 !" ??? I mean, wait a minute...

It's exactly like i predicted in a thread many month ago: The KORG had major flaws in the OASYS project from the beginning. A weak and obviously non-upgradeable processor. Limited hard-disc space. From what i read in various threads here and on the Karma Forum, all the electronic stuff inside the OASYS is supposed to be old s**t by now. An inbuilt sequencer, that 90 % of the OASYS users neglect. The list could go on, you all know the points.

Then it sounds like it is impossibe to give us that autoload function for the KARO libraries... or more bank space ... This must be a joke! A bad one. If it wasn't for the KARO guys and their ongoing high quality output for the OASYS, i would feel not very good with what i received from KORG until today. Only WITH the KARO stuff, this workstation is a complete production house !!! So, don't tell me you can't implement that stuff. We know it's a lame excuse. Try harder !

Here's my counter-proposal: Instead of showing us your middlefinger, the guys at KORG should rethink their policy and show us their respect. We have all invested massively in this workstation ... not all of us are superstars like HERBIE HANCOCK and JORDAN RUDESS, who have enough money to just not care. I propose that KORG gets their best people together and work out a solution to offer us, your financers, an upgrade for our OASYS to the next level ... call it OASYS 2 or whatever you want ! Yes, we want the faster quad-core processor, a better sequencer, more banks, more sounds and more combis, more karma all over the place, new libraries and the possibility to treat KARO banks just like any KORG enhancement wthin the OASYS. We all know that this is possible, it just needs a little effort ! I will be the first to pay some good money for this upgrade ! How much can that be ? A thousand bucks ? A thousand five hundred ? Two thousand ? I'm willing to pay even that, but only if you make that feeling go away that you don't care about us with all that company policy bla bla bla. Nobody needs that. I want to see a future with KORG. Give me what i want and not what you think i should want and we will make wonderful business together in the future.

Okay, that's my five per cent. I could go on for a while, but i'm busy with earning a living, so i will stop for now. Excuse my bad english, it's not my native language.

Keep on rockin !

T.
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danatkorg · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject:

Count2Four123 sounds unhappy in his message, and I'm truly sorry about that. I'd like to reply to a few of his factual assertions.

billysynth1 · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject:

All I know is that once upon a time I owned 2 x Kurzweil K2600X's - I literally had one for each hand, one for my left hand parts, and the other for my right hand parts. Each K2600x cost me $10,000 Australian. That's $20 thou for two synths that i bought round about 2000.

The Oasys cost me $10,500 Aust in 2005 ( i got a good deal the recommended price at initial release here in Australia for 88keys was $15,000 )

The two Kurzweils at $20K have no holding or come anywhere near the O that cost me half the price with significantly more processing power, superiour sounds etc etc.

I love my Big O and it sits in the same room as my Yamaha C1 Grand Piano.

For me, paying $250 for an Expansion Upgrade is peanuts - I have all the expansions and love them all... cant wait for 1.4

Didnt know MOD 7 was that powerfull - an improved version of Kurzweils VAST with extra topping...mmmm. Go over to SonikMatter they are always bragging about VAST and its superiority over any other synthesis out there and that nothing comes close to it even after so many years.

Anyway, whether you pay, $3K, or $10K for a workstation, everybody has some sort of gripe... go over to Roland Clan and read about the G8, its being bashed for its sounds, for this, for that, go to Yamaha Motif Forum same crappola happening there... we buy it and then we hammer it lol

Have a laugh
Billy
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danatkorg · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject:

Kontrol49 · Platinum Member Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 1280

So on that inventory of What Korg has given the Oasys since its Production run is one to assume that this is all there is to expect???Given there has been little to suggest otherwise that production/support has now ceased or deny/support the rumours!

Or is there more developments in the balance for the current model or a New prototype making this a Now Obsolete Oasys Paperweight??
Whilst nobody has the right to demand answers and Korgs R+D is secret would be nice to hear some rumblings or not from the Korg camp...

I never bought this Oasys on a false pretence,but I respect its strengths and whats been commisioned into it so far, but I certainly expected more support/Development from Korg over the course of its life.in its present state it resembles nothing more than a Triton on steriods??At the least surely there are more Sound Engines that could be hosted within it??

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AnthonyB · Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject:

Kevin Nolan · Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject:

Here's a thought -

Whenever OASYS does eventually retire; how's about we organise a party, say six months later (to give everyone time to plan) to celebrate it?

We could hire a hotel function room during the next NAMM after it retires, and as many of us as is possible make our way there to meet up for some actual face to face slagging off, eh, I mean salutations!

Better still - how about Korg run an OASYS users postmortem meeting where we can discuss and debate the future of the hardware synthesizer and of the workstation. Perhaps even invite key speakers to give presentations and open their ideas to the floor for analysis/discussion.

It would even set down a marker to the broader electronic music world that we mean what we say in valuing this unique instrument and believe in its future, however that pans out.

(I remember Yamaha announcing in their original ad for the SY77 that they'd hold a party for it at the turn of the new millennium. Alas that party never happened)!

Vivat OASYS

Sharp · Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject:

Hi Kevin.

Many moons ago we actually talked about doing something like this when KF was under the name Irish Acts. I was going to hire a Hotel Ball Room for a weekend, KORG UK would come over to Ireland, and Bear and I would organise hotels and bus from the Airport for everyone.

Never happened obviously, but it's something we could very easily do if people where interested at some point. Doesn't have to be Ireland either.

Regards.
Sharp.

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razzaq1 · Junior Member Joined: 15 Jul 2003 Posts: 50

Hey Sharp,
I remember when that 'get together' idea was floated.

I think it might be a good idea to see if local folk would want to get together, say, in their own County.

(i.e. less money to shell out for travel = more likelihood of it happening!)

It's just an idea.

We'd need a list for locations.

Cheers,

Rob

t_tangent · Full Member Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 219 Location: UK

I'm in Essex England if that helps, so anyone want to organise one near here let me know Smile

razzaq1 · Junior Member Joined: 15 Jul 2003 Posts: 50

I'm in Berkshire.

I'll start a thread over at KLF asking Stephen Kay if he wants to start a 'Location List' (over at KLF because they already have the 'Good/Evil Twin' list there.

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EJ2 · Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject:

If the OASYS is discontinued tomorrow or next week (which I seriously doubt), I really don't care. I'm just thankful I found a way to put one in my studio when I did.

Look folks, I don't believe Korg has invested so much R&D into the OASYS just to walk away from it. A similar notion can be said for many OASYS owners - we have invested so much into it to abandon this awesome workstation. I expect to continue using my OASYS as the center piece of my studio for many more years to come.

We all know the Triton line had an excellent run. Yes, we have the M3 at a similar price point, but I wouldn't be surprised to see our beloved OASYS or versions thereof continue well into the future.

Cheers,
Eric
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