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Hi all

Just to let you know what happened, and what the future has in store.

Firstly, the reason why our host shut us down was not due to bandwidth. We have planned well in advanced for that. The problem is that our popularity has hit us in a new way that we did not plan for, which is that our RAM and CPU usage has gone through the roof.

There are many reasons for this, and all of which are generally directed at the forum. Which is what the forum was the last thing to be restored. We have not solved the problem, but Daz has come up with a number of very cunning methods to get us back on-line and give us time to organise things.

So how did he reduce our load.... First up Daz cut away almost 180,000 posts from the database which will instantly reduce our load. While this is a lot of valuable content to cut away, it was done so in a way that it can be restored when we are on a new server.

Secondly, Daz and done some clever work to limit the likes of search engines from ripping through the forum indexing everything in sight. For example, last month Goggle generated over 400,000 requests from our server alone. That's quite a bit of searching through the forums, all of which used RAM and CPU. Goggle are also only one of many search engines who scan us.

Keeping them off the forum reduces the load, but it will effect peoples ability to find us and our recorded popularity status.

That said, all theses changes are only temporary solutions to a problem that will arise again, so the job at hand now is to go shopping and see if a Virtual Server or a Dedicated server is what we need for the future. At least we now have the time to do all this, and relay all this information back to you all.

Bottom line though is that since we run the forum for free, no matter what we do will require money to be raised in order to pay for everything we will need. So while no decision have been made just yet, we have thrown around a few ideas.

The first idea was to simply ask for donations. The problem with that though is only a small percentage of people will do that, and is that fair ?.

The second idea was to start up a small membership fee. Basically the forum would be free to anyone using the Korg Family Section (where support on keyboards is given) and outside that, the rest would be membership access only. With some changes to the content, it could be made quite interesting. While this would require a considerable amount of work, it is however an option.

And finally the third option is to quite simply allow advertisements on the forums. We have been asked in the past by respected music stores to allow them to place a banner on the forum, but we have always prided ourselves on being advertisement free. Quite honestly, I have no problem in swallowing some of that pride to secure the future of the forum though.

So as it stands, those are our options and in time we will move on one of those. So for the moment all I can say is.... Enjoy Everyone. !!!! We are back on-line :-)

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PS:... and a personal thank you to Daz from myself for all the hard work he has done.
I started talking with Daz at 12am my local time on the phone last night, which was 7pm his time. And he burned right through the night working on everything.

It was easily 4am his time when he logged off. So chances are you won't see him for a good number of hours :-) Probably snoozing his brains out right now.

Thanks Mate. You truly have a good heart and to me that's the best complement I have give anyone.

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I say you go for commercials. Music gear, keyboard brands, sort of things that would benefit us and companies would have interest in publishing in here.

If you go on donations, as you said yourself, there will be those who would contribute on monthly basis, those who would contribute once and never again and the biggest number would be users who only show up once in a while, ask their question and don't come back until next issue comes up for them. You can bet they wouldn't contribute. Now, I'm not trying to offend anyone here, but that's how things work.

Since there is certain number of users (Rob and Nedim in arrangers, Tritex4, Krzysiek and me in Extreme, don't know about other sections, but there are few of us in every section) who spent our time greatly on this forum and try to help as much as we can, probably each one of us would contribute. But I guess that wouldn't be sufficient.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass here, but is there any chance Korg involves in all of this? After all, this community is responsible for musicians to understand their products. They should chip in.

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Post by Stephen »

I know that it's not easy to maintain, and finance, a forum of this size, and that some of us have donated in the past, and would be willing to do so again, but an ad from a music related retailer wouldn't be so bad in my humble opinion, if it would keep this great forum running, and ease the burden on you two, then I'm for it.
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Post by wan »

As long as the ads are music gear related and not to dominant i don't see any reason to keep them away if they can provide the funds to keep this forum alive.

Big thanks to get it running again to Daz and you

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Post by tritex4 »

It's not easy getting used to the forum being offline or closed.
A few ads and donations are a small price to pay to keep the forum online!!


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Post by gravehill »

+1 for ads and donations!
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Post by Sharp »

Hi Guys.

At this point I will also mention that we have been talking to KORG for the last week, and they have offered us a Dedicated Server. Basically this is everything we could wish for to exist forever. Which is fantastic news, but it's also something that is very complicated and so we need to discuss a lot of issues.

For example, up until now KORG have had zero control over anything we do, or what gets posted. So how does being supported by them changes this. We have already agreed that the download section would have to go, so there is much to discuses.

Obviously IA will always exist and be supported by me, so quite simply the download section would just go back to where it all originated from. So no big deal anyway.


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Post by Bigs »

The dedicated server deal is nice, but it would be nice to stay independent from Korg.. I can already seeing them 'ask' you to remove negative posts about their hardware (for example, half of the Zero4/8 forum ;) ).

Couldn't a switch of forum software help with the load? As far as I know, phpBB2 is not really the most optimized software for large forums.

If it turns out there's a commercial package which is less resource intensive a one-time fundraiser could pay for that.

Otherwise, Google ads aren't too intrusive and might give a nice income. A dedicated server can be bought for € 1200 (at Dell, and that's with dual core and everything) but co-location shouldn't cost too much.
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Post by Rob Sherratt »

Hello again Sharp,

Thanks a lot to you and Daz for bringing the site up again.

I think the advantages of being hosted by Korg would far outweight the disadvantages. The freedom of speech of members can be safeguarded. There are many manufacturer sites where users get quite critical. There is no censorship of this.

The big advantage is that if Korg "own" the server on which the user forum is hosted, then it will achieve more prominence in the minds of the directors of Korg, and more resources will be put into it. That will lead to better service for members of the forum, and better releationships between users and Korg.

I know there is nothing preventing Korg from investing in the user forum even if it remains independent. But culturally, Japanese companies now have the biggest "not invented here syndrome" in the world.

We need to build bridges. Users and Korg both need to better support each other and engage in more open dialog. If the offer from Korg is accepted, then I think Korg will increase the funding and resourcing of the user forum over time, maybe even with a regular interactive slot each week.

Finally, in order for Korg to have made this offer of hosting the user forum, it would have required special approval from Japan. If we now turn this offer down, it may be interpreted by the Japanese as a huge insult.
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I have no problem with ads either, as long as they're not for lipstick or porno etc. Music stuff is actually nice to read about anyway, I get mags in the mail and read the ads. Also, Korg helping out would be great as long as there is not restrictions from them. As much as I love Korg, I do think we should be able to steer people in the direction of other competing gear if a need for that arises. I am so grateful to the people here, esp Daz and Sharp to keep us running. There are only a handful of truly well-run forums on the net and this is one of them. We need this community to make the virtual and real world a better place. I was struck with how many friends I have here for whom I don't have their emails and I actually got not sleep a couple nights for worrying about this forum. You go guys. You rock! And we're will to help out, I've donated before but I'm sure my small dollars didn't go very far. I'm very happy with my fingers crossed!!!!!!!!
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Post by BasariStudios »

Sharp, i just wanted to ask, i was wondering:
Where is KORG in ALL this? Why THEY dont do something either?
I am not against a donation, i would love to donate for this forum
but still it just came in my mind that this is KORG FORUMS.
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Post by BartB »

Good to see you back online. Just out of curiousity: why do you think "having no ads" is something good (and even to be 'proud' of)? Nobody will suspect you're no longer independent if you run ads on your site. Everybody will understand that the ads are there to pay the bill...
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Post by Rob Sherratt »

Thoughts about ads ...

What happens when someone pays for a big Fantom G8, or Tyros 3 advertisement etc? Could these be refused? I don't think so.

However if we do start taking ads from Korg competitors then we will burn the bridges between the forum and Korg, and I think that would be a mistake at the moment. Especially when Korg have offered to host the site free of charge.
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Post by BartB »

Rob Sherratt wrote:Thoughts about ads ...

What happens when someone pays for a big Fantom G8, or Tyros 3 advertisement etc? Could these be refused? I don't think so.
Why not? The owner of the site decides what ads can be run and what can't. I've had offers for ads too that I turned down. My site, my call.
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