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[xmlguy]

Nobody here mentioned any mismatch between Horoscopic Astrological signs and astronomical constellations. I was referring to the modern understanding of the constellations vs. the classical view derived from the Greeks, which were the basis for the signs of the Zodiac used by many Astrological traditions, regardless of Horoscopic Astrology. Nearly all of the constellation patterns are based on our visual perspective from our location, not their astrophysical relationship.

James Randi has a lot to say about Astrology and the prophetic claims of various popular practitioners of it, so I'll let him do the debunking of that.

Personally, I like fortune cookies, but not so much the regular "good fortune" ones, but the hilarious "bad fortune" ones. The white chocolate ones are good too. That's about the limit of my interest in fortune telling of any kind. I do find it funny that America exports fortune cookies to China to satisfy the expectation of American tourists who are disappointed to find that restaurants didn't have them and the locals had no idea what they were.

"You will find love in 2013. Unfortunately the Galactic Alignment will destroy all other humans on earth in 2012, so you might brush up on Ape mating habits."

[Timo]

I dunno Sharp, I just see a lot of hype without much substance. From what I've seen it's all amplified speculation. And it's speculation at best. The end of the world (or whatever)? I mean, really?

I see a lot of the hype being more around selling American movies or fictional books than actual real life facts.

When people first heard Jeff Wayne's War Of The Worlds some became hysterical because they believed it was real.

In history, people believed solar eclipses were caused by dragons eating the moon or sun, or that such an event predicted war and devastation. Not so. The worst a solar eclipse can do is blind you if you look at it.

Some people believe they see extra-terrestrial based UFOs over the Nevada desert, where they're actually much more likely to be American testing of new technologies created in the Area 51 research facility. Others believed the Millennium bug would cause meltdown on all road networks (traffic light mayhem), and on much computer technology.

Humans in large numbers love to feel scared or fear about a common threat, real or non-real, particularly when 'survival' is involved or threatened, or where we feel fear from not fully understanding something. It unites us, and makes us feel that, even though we don't know the answer to why life is important, it is what we're actually here for - that life is worth living, supporting and fighting for, and protecting. I think it's the most primeval nature of us as a species. Humans also love rumours for similar reasons, bonding, sharing a common interest.

The Mayan calendar ending in 2012? In my line of thinking, if the Mayans were still here they'd likely have had a new calendar lined up to take over from the last. Their current one has run for 5000 years, they couldn't carry it on indefinately. 5000 odd years is a good run.

Our current civilisation can predict events far beyond a year, but my yearly calendar ends at the end of this year (naturally). It just means another period starts. It doesn't mean the end of the world is nigh. It just means the Earth has completed a noted circuit around the Sun, and is a mental marker or label for us as humans to anchor and correlate/categorise events to. Other planets have different years. An Earth Year is unrelated to any other planet.

I'd like to see some undisputed facts of the effects that such a galactic alignment will indeed have on Earth.

Regards one thing, I'm fully aware of solar flares' effects on Earth. They have a habit of upsetting satellites and radio communication putting them out of action, along with an increase in radiation which is more a problem for those in Space than us on Earth... But solar flares are relatively common events. They're known entities.
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[dreamaiden]

Bear with me... I'm going out on a limb a little bit.

One of the possible scenarios in the documentary was that our galaxy has a black hole in it. If it were to sit right between the sun and the earth it could cause the earth to shift on it's axis. Any shift of 5 degrees would cause chaos. My facts are probably off and I have no idea if there is even a black hole in the galaxy or not. The point is that one thing can cause something else, which can cause something else. The fact is that we don't know. No one really does. One thing I do know that there have been other periods of extinction on the planet and there could be another one and it could come for a number of reasons. Who knows... 2012 could be it, or the start of it, or nothing at all. The only thing we know is that we don't know.

On the news the other day was a report that scientists have already built a cement structure somewhere, I didn't catch where, but around the Artic. They are storing seeds of all plants, etc. in case of an event. This was in a 2012 discussion. They are calling it a Noah's Arc. I have no idea when they actually built it but they were showing current video of them putting seeds in containers. Of course another scientist said that such an event would wipe it out anyway so there you have it. Interesting though.

Regarding astrology, we don't know if it is valid or not. Certainly it is not a scientifically proven method of forecasting. I'm not talking about the mom and pop shops or the online vagabonds. I'm talking about the credible people who have devoted their life to the 'science' of astrology. While astrology is based on mathematic calculations (you can even buy software), the real 'pro' part of it is in the interpretation. For example, a well seasoned conductor may lead a symphony in what could be perceived to be a better interpretation of the music than a novice. Personally, I've seen enough from a few pros in the field of astrology that leads me to believe there just might be something valid there, enough that it is interesting to me. I don't live my life by it but I observe a lot.

Personally, I feel that there are a lot of things that are not so black and white. I actually enjoy the space in between, the intrigue and the possibilities of it all, and I enjoy a discussion and debate if the door is not completely slammed closed. I also believe that the only things that are proven are the things science has proven, and even those things change. I think maybe even scientists go into the field of science to explore the possibilities. Before there was no water on the moon. Now there is enough water in the rocks for humans to colonize. I'm sure that is exciting to scientists. And of course, there are some things that I believe are definitely out there that will one day be proven, just not yet. I love those things but with some reservation and healthy skepticism. I saw one science show where some scientists were saying that it was impossible to travel x amount of distance in space. Another scientist said, 'not so fast' and explained how in fact it could be done. I think scientists are open to possibilities until proven otherwise.

I totally love it when something is proven or disproven but I also like to leave a little room for possibilities. Makes life interesting and you just never really know until you know, and even then...

The part about the 2012 discussion that interests me is that lots of fingers point to it being some sort of thing. I'm much more annoyed that we may be the Jetsons one day and have alien friends and I might not be around to see it. Now that is really annoying.

My quote for the day:

Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, today is a gift and that's why they call it Present.

[RiotNrrd]

[xmlguy]

[RiotNrrd]

[dreamaiden]

Thanks Riot. (You're a VNP.) I may not have heard that in the right context then. It doesn't make sense that would be evidence for anything. If you get a chance, watch the documentary on the History Channel. It was interesting. They have shown it a few times.

[ozy]

[Gargamel314]

What i don't get is... they say this happens every 13,000 years. Humans have been around for way more than 13,000 years... and we're still alive.
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[ozy]

[Sharp]

[ozy]

here's some food for thought about Astrology.

Your Astrological Sign is determined by your birth date and hour, right?

Because position of the stars and planets when you begin to exist is supposed to influence you character.

But each individual's DNA, which is the gentic determinant, is created 9 months before the birth date.

So, e.g., I shouldn't be a "Cancer", I should be a "Scorpio".

When my character was "determined", planets weren't wehere they were supposed to be.

Doh!

EVERY single Horoscope of the past 60 centuries should be accordingly rewritten.

So much for Astrology.

Next.

[Sharp]

Its your “Birth Date” your age and star sign is counted from, not when an egg was fertilised.

Had to start somewhere, and that sounds a lot more acceptable way to mark your birthday than the date ones Mom was shagged.

Regards
Sharp

[ozy]