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T7
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Eight individual analog outputs instead of four, or ADAT I/O, would have been nice. Seems like a pretty big oversight considering "9 sound engines!".
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| cello wrote: | | a jack of all trades is master of none |
Well, I've listen to songs done entire on a single workstation sounding like a finished record done in a super studio, so this doesn't apply. Have you listened the demo sequences that Stephen Kay has made for the KOrg workstations more than 20 years old? Just check the Karma Media Player on the Karma website and scroll down. |
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synthguy
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Jordan Rudess recorded albums just using his Kurzweil K2500s and 2600s, and the 2600 had all of two synth engines. I'd say if the OASYS sounds weak compared to them, I'd like to know that now. 
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Timo
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:51 pm Post subject: Re: Whats missing in KRONOS.. |
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| Bachus wrote: | So what do you think is missing from this lovely instrument
-MOSS technollogy
-RADIAS technollogy |
As mentioned elsewhere, the only MOSS algorithms missing from the Kronos are the Bowed String, Brass, and Wind models. The Kronos covers the rest (analogue, cross-mod, osc-sync, ring-mod, VPM, plucked string, electric piano, organ) in huge detail.
Kinda gutted it doesn't have Brass or Wind modelling though.
More recently, Arturia have kinda trumped (trumpetted?) the physical modelling side of brass since then. But Korg's brass models were more extensive, and they must have improved their brass and wind algorithms since the Moss/Oasys-PCI days. Come on Korg, we know you have it!
As for the Radias, the Kronos AL-1 is the (slightly) bigger brother of Radias. They seem very similar. On paper, the only things that Radias can do that AL-1 can't are:- comb filtering, vocoding, decimator/pickup/hard-clip waveshaping (could be easily covered by effects, though), and I think the drive in AL-1 is fixed to post-filter as opposed to being switchable post/pre filter like on the Radias. Mod-sequencing can be covered by Karma, and the PCM waveforms are more than covered by HD-1.
I would have dearly love to have seen interpolation (smoothing) between knob values for stepper free knob twiddling. Come on Korg it's 2011, not 1995!
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T7
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:28 pm Post subject: Re: Whats missing in KRONOS.. |
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| Timo wrote: | | I would have dearly love to have seen interpolation (smoothing) between knob values for stepper free knob twiddling. Come on Korg it's 2011, not 1995! |
I remember reading about that in the SOS review of the Oasys. Have Korg confirmed this is still the case with Kronos?...Extremely dissapointing if it is.
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danatkorg
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: Whats missing in KRONOS.. |
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| T7 wrote: | | Timo wrote: | | I would have dearly love to have seen interpolation (smoothing) between knob values for stepper free knob twiddling. Come on Korg it's 2011, not 1995! |
I remember reading about that in the SOS review of the Oasys. Have Korg confirmed this is still the case with Kronos?...Extremely dissapointing if it is. |
Let me step into the wayback machine and take a trip back to 2006...wait just a minute....ok, fixed!
From the OASYS version 1.2 release notes:
Improved parameter smoothing
Since its initial release, OASYS has used several different smoothing processes to minimize "steppiness" on knobs, sliders, and controls. These processes have been further improved, via an adaptive smoothing algorithm.
Tone Adjust is now smoothed as well, so that you can use this Control Surface mode for performance as well as when editing. Many parameters are also now smoothed even when edited from the LCD.
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T7
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:04 am Post subject: Re: Whats missing in KRONOS.. |
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| danatkorg wrote: | | T7 wrote: | | Timo wrote: | | I would have dearly love to have seen interpolation (smoothing) between knob values for stepper free knob twiddling. Come on Korg it's 2011, not 1995! |
I remember reading about that in the SOS review of the Oasys. Have Korg confirmed this is still the case with Kronos?...Extremely dissapointing if it is. |
Let me step into the wayback machine and take a trip back to 2006...wait just a minute....ok, fixed!
From the OASYS version 1.2 release notes:
Improved parameter smoothing
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LOL. Nice! |
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danatkorg
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:18 am Post subject: Re: Whats missing in KRONOS.. |
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| Timo wrote: |
As for the Radias, the Kronos AL-1 is the (slightly) bigger brother of Radias. They seem very similar. On paper, the only things that Radias can do that AL-1 can't are:- comb filtering, |
Absolutely true that the AL-1 doesn't do comb filtering. However, the STR-1 does. See "Using the string as a comb filter for PCM" in the STR-1 chapter of the OASYS Parameter Guide, and of course the KRONOS one when it comes out.
Also absolutely true that a vocoder isn't built-into the AL-1. Instead, the vocoder is in the effects, where you can use it with any combination of the synth engines (layers, Combis, etc., including modulating one set of sounds with another).
| Timo wrote: | | decimator/pickup/hard-clip waveshaping (could be easily covered by effects, though), and I think the drive in AL-1 is fixed to post-filter as opposed to being switchable post/pre filter like on the Radias. |
Again, true on all counts for the AL-1. For waveshaping (including clipping, drive, pickups, and lots more), including control over where they happen in the chain, look instead to the MOD-7.
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Mod-sequencing can be covered by Karma, and the PCM waveforms are more than covered by HD-1.
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Note also the step sequencer in the EXi Program, plus the per-voice step sequencers in the AL-1 and MOD-7.
Re PCM: don't forget the STR-1 and MOD-7, both of which can use samples as well.
Hope this helps,
Dan
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blinkofanI
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I can't believe this thread!!! The Kronos could take a lifetime to exploit all that's inside and people ask for more? And if Korg includes all that but sell it 5000$ or more, people will then complain it's too expensive!! Really, c'mon, this thread leads to nothing IMHO...
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Francois
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:30 am Post subject: Re: Whats missing in KRONOS.. |
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| Bachus wrote: | | So what do you think is missing from this lovely instrument? |
It still doesn't make coffee, and has no alarm function. Apart from that, it's pretty complete for now. |
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xmlguy
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| blinkofanI wrote: | I can't believe this thread!!! The Kronos could take a lifetime to exploit all that's inside and people ask for more? And if Korg includes all that but sell it 5000$ or more, people will then complain it's too expensive!! Really, c'mon, this thread leads to nothing IMHO...
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With your Z1, you have some pretty damn good versions of the same kind of physical models of the KRONOS, plus several it doesn't have. I got my Z1 for $400. Plus with the Wavestation, you've got pretty good wave sequencing and vector synthesis. So maybe we MOSS owners might not be as thrilled as others regarding the number 9 for $3,000, when we've already got so many models for a lot less.
Not that I don't like what I've seen so far about the KRONOS. My favorite part about KRONOS is all the M3's and Radias being liquidated to raise the money for it. I love price devaluation of nice gear, since I tend to buy and hold. Yes, I'm a bottom feeder waiting for the morsels to float down to my price point.  nom nom nom nom nom |
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CfNorENa
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| xmlguy wrote: | | Not that I don't like what I've seen so far about the KRONOS. My favorite part about KRONOS is all the M3's and Radias being liquidated to raise the money for it. I love price devaluation of nice gear, since I tend to buy and hold. Yes, I'm a bottom feeder waiting for the morsels to float down to my price point. nom nom nom nom nom |
Gotta admit, I'm considering this, too. I've already begun selling off gear with the intention of buying a Kronos 88, but the prospect of picking up an M3-88 or Motif XS8 for $1500 (roughly what they're going for on my local craigslist), and keeping the rest of my stuff*, is very tempting...
* Pro-One and OB-8 are NOT part of my liquidation!
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xmlguy
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| CfNorENa wrote: |
Gotta admit, I'm considering this, too. I've already begun selling off gear with the intention of buying a Kronos 88, but the prospect of picking up an M3-88 or Motif XS8 for $1500 (roughly what they're going for on my local craigslist), and keeping the rest of my stuff*, is very tempting...
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When you buy used at a value price, most of the depreciation has already occurred, so even if you sell it later you don't lose much actual value for the period you use it. Much of my gear I can sell for a profit even having owned it for years, or at least break even. Some examples: MPC1000/Black $535, SP-606 $250, Z1 $400, TrEx 61 $745, R3 $420, X-Station 25 $350, SP-404 $250, EMX $350.
Some items I've passed up on include a nice TrEx 88 for $900, a M3-M for $1,200, Radias-R $550 (a year before the price drop). |
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Scott
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:47 am Post subject: |
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I've already mentioned the two things I'd like, but I might as well put them in this aptly named thread. Unlike what others have mentioned, the things I want are more performance oriented...
... the ability to plug Korg Nano controllers into the USB-A port
... the ability to call up a scanned page (PDF, JPEG, whatever) associated with each entry in a Set List, so I could see lyrics or chord charts
In theory, I imagine either of these could be added with a software upgrade, and are probably simpler than most of the other things people are mentioning! And they would be enormously useful for live performers. (As opposed to dead ones.) |
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mjames4208
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i want a breath controller, like the one yamaha used to have on their synths.
i joined this forum in 2007 and this is my first post..... LOL
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