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TheLeadingSaw



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:21 pm    Post subject: Kronos's 73 key version... Reply with quote

Just wondering... I just don't understand how Korg made that kind of decision.

I'm not even going to talk about the suckish layout of the 73, just to the fact it is fully weighted. So it weights like a tank (20 kilos!). For that reason people who don't want to carry such weight with them to gigs would have to go on the 61 version. Which is just not enough to play a piano sound.
We saw that many people who needed more than 61 on other synths bought the mid size version (XS/XF7, X/G7, M3/73). But now no one would consider Kronos 73 because of its weight.

I think Korg should make a semi-weighted version of the 73. Otherwise no one will buy 73 and use the (suckish) 61...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can understand why you might have an opinion which swings a certain way on this, but you have to also consider that KORG made their decision based in actual sales figures from past keyboards.

So they have facts to work off of.

Making a 73 key and not a 76 key is more of a mystery.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, like I said the layout isn't really my problem (if I got used to a 61 key workstation as an 88 piano player I can get used to anything).
I'm talking about the weight. I guess you're not talking about the Oasys because it was unpopular anyway...

Korg never had a weighted 73 keyboard... I wonder if they ever had a semi weighted.

Really thinking on buying it instead of G7 and XF7, but for that very reason I just might buy the 61...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't get your logic. Just because you think it's heavy your going to buy a the XF or G7 ?
WHat about the fact that it sounds bloody awesome and has far more features and sound engines than any other keyboard on the market right now ?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noooooo

Probably gonna buy the 61 Kronos if Korg dosen't make a semi weighted 73.
I'm only 15 and still don't have a licence, so carrying a 20 kilo synth with me to weekly rehearsals is a bitch..
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If weight is an issue, then the 61key is by far the way to go. At only 12Kg and it's very light considering. I am one of the very few who has actually picked one up in their hands and I can tell you it felt really good.

It's lighter than the Motif FX 61 and WAY..... more advanced in every single way imaginable.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no doubt about Kronos kicking XF's ass, of course Kronos is better..
It's just I need the 73 because all of my previous workstations are 61.
Besides, how am I gonna use this amazing piano sound engine with a 61?
I was wondering why Korg didn't make a 73 semi weighted.
Saw someone make the same case at the Jordan Rudess forum and he said he will try to contact Jack Hotop etc. about it.
Really hope Korg decides to do something about a semi weighted.
Of course, Kronos is light and 12 kilos really isn't too much but it's just not enough, especially when they make a supreme piano engine.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe then what you might consider is going for the 73 key, but getting a Gator case that has wheels on one end.

Here's a soft version.
http://www.gatorcases.com/Default.aspx?Section=Products&Page=Details&CategoryID=4482&CatalogID=9204

and here's a hard version.

http://www.gatorcases.com/Default.aspx?Section=Products&Page=Details&CategoryID=4434&CatalogID=11144

That would greatly lighten the load when carting it around.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheLeadingSaw wrote:
I was wondering why Korg didn't make a 73 semi weighted.
Saw someone make the same case at the Jordan Rudess forum and he said he will try to contact Jack Hotop etc. about it.


Believe me, I'm with you on this one. I've posted this on a few forums and I believe it was Dan from Korg that said that at least at this time, it's not in the works.

From what I've been reading online, the 73/76 key semi-weighted is not a very good seller for synth companies. Check out the Sweetwater thread: http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=58288&start=60

Preorders of the Kronos From Sweetwater: (as of Jan 27th)

22 Kronos 88
7 Kronos 73
23 Kronos 61



We'll never know if the poor sales of the Kronos 73 is due to the weighted, but I *WOULD* have bought a 73 until I found out it was weighted so I ordered the 88. My thought is, if I'm STUCK with this keybed, I may as well get as many keys as I can. But I'm telling you, it's going to be a love/hate relationship with the KRONOS because of that damn keybed. If I can get used to it, the 88 keys is gong to be awesome. But right now, I can't play leads or fast organs smoothly on it to save my life. Sounds choppy and the keys themselves have a sluggish bounce to them. Some songs are simply literally impossible to play on the RH3 (think Billy Joel's machine gun key style).

Read this review of the SV-1 and it's keybed:

http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/korg-sv-1-/November-2009/103427

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It feels great, but didn’t quite ace my “Billy Joel test,” in which fast sixteenth-notes are played machinegun style on the same key, the way Billy does in “Angry Young Man” and “Scenes From an Italian Restaurant.” The keys didn’t quite yield the rapid-fire repetition that can be achieved on a real grand or high-end digital piano.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

McHale wrote:
TheLeadingSaw wrote:
I was wondering why Korg didn't make a 73 semi weighted.
Saw someone make the same case at the Jordan Rudess forum and he said he will try to contact Jack Hotop etc. about it.


Believe me, I'm with you on this one. I've posted this on a few forums and I believe it was Dan from Korg that said that at least at this time, it's not in the works.

From what I've been reading online, the 73/76 key semi-weighted is not a very good seller for synth companies. Check out the Sweetwater thread: http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=58288&start=60

Preorders of the Kronos From Sweetwater: (as of Jan 27th)

22 Kronos 88
7 Kronos 73
23 Kronos 61



We'll never know if the poor sales of the Kronos 73 is due to the weighted, but I *WOULD* have bought a 73 until I found out it was weighted so I ordered the 88. My thought is, if I'm STUCK with this keybed, I may as well get as many keys as I can. But I'm telling you, it's going to be a love/hate relationship with the KRONOS because of that damn keybed. If I can get used to it, the 88 keys is gong to be awesome. But right now, I can't play leads or fast organs smoothly on it to save my life. Sounds choppy and the keys themselves have a sluggish bounce to them. Some songs are simply literally impossible to play on the RH3 (think Billy Joel's machine gun key style).

Read this review of the SV-1 and it's keybed:

http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/korg-sv-1-/November-2009/103427

Quote:
It feels great, but didn’t quite ace my “Billy Joel test,” in which fast sixteenth-notes are played machinegun style on the same key, the way Billy does in “Angry Young Man” and “Scenes From an Italian Restaurant.” The keys didn’t quite yield the rapid-fire repetition that can be achieved on a real grand or high-end digital piano.


Actually, I didn't even thought about the quality of the keybed.
I guess that is another issue that I will have to deal with only if I'll go with the 73.
And I promise Korg the 73 probably had like 25 preorders if it was synth action/semi weighted.
A weighted keybed isn't that suitable for anyone. Especially when it's a teenager who has to carry it everywhere. When Korg made only a 61 unweighted keyboard they basically force people who can't carry around a 20 kilo synth to buy the 61.

Besides, if you think about it, people who buy such a powerful synthesizer on a freaking pre-order which they didn't even get the chance to try out the machine - are adept users. If they have a Fantom G8 and want the new Kronos they would just buy the 61 version and control it via MIDI.
Like I just said, only adept players will pre-order Kronos. If they wanna control it via MIDI they would buy the 61. If they want the whole experience they would buy the 88.
The rest of the world would wait and see it at a music store and will have a decent play on it. I'm sure G7s and XF7s are popular to a specific group of people.

I just think that with a release of 2 models with weighted keys and 1 with synth action Korg pretty much says they don't really care what are the options to people who need a synth action.
I hope we will see a semi weighted version sometime Sad
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll say it again ... I would be first in line to buy a Kronos 73/76 semi weighted board. The 61 keys is just not enough.

I know that the 73 keys sell less but the pre-order numbers from Sweetwater for the 73 dont seem that great. I would thik it would have been higher had it been semi weighted.

It would be nice if Korg would offer it as a special order. I would pay a premium for it. If your not happy with the keybed then the rest of it just doesn't matter as much.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theoretically, the hardware is already equipped for 73 keys so it's a matter of swapping out the weighted for semi-weighted. But that being said, that means an entire new assembly line and new pieces to make it all fit together and probably a lot of other stuff. It'd be quite a big deal to make a 73 key semi-weighted.

The 73 key weighted made sense on the SV-1 since it's a stage piano. But I don't see it making sense on the Kronos when the majority of engines are synth or organ.

I for one would switch my pre-order in a second if they made a 73 key semi-weighted (and since we're dreaming here - a 76 key just like the OASYS). If they'd make a tabletop version like they did with the M3, I'd be all over it (especially if it fits on my M3 keybed). I'd much prefer the tabletop.

But like the others, 61 keys is not enough for me. I know this was a very thought out decision and I'm sure there's a ton of sales history that went into it. I'm sure it makes sense for Korg, you can't fault them for that. It just doesn't work for me and others. Sad



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

McHale wrote:
Theoretically, the hardware is already equipped for 73 keys so it's a matter of swapping out the weighted for semi-weighted. But that being said, that means an entire new assembly line and new pieces to make it all fit together and probably a lot of other stuff. It'd be quite a big deal to make a 73 key semi-weighted.


The keyboard companies should re-evaluate their assembly line process. I can order a car with features I prefer and I can order a custom built Dell PC. OK, the volume of sales is much less for keyboards but custom orders are certainly doable if the assembly line is set up for it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bald Eagle wrote:
The keyboard companies should re-evaluate their assembly line process. I can order a car with features I prefer and I can order a custom built Dell PC. OK, the volume of sales is much less for keyboards but custom orders are certainly doable if the assembly line is set up for it.


I could be wrong on that assembly line thing...

just sayin' Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sharp wrote:
I can understand why you might have an opinion which swings a certain way on this, but you have to also consider that KORG made their decision based in actual sales figures from past keyboards.

So they have facts to work off of.

Exactly. I imagine they looked at how the unweighted 73s sold in the M3 and M50 line, and how the weighted 73 sold in the SV1 model, and factored that information into their decision.

Sharp wrote:
Making a 73 key and not a 76 key is more of a mystery.

I would guess it's because they based it on the SV1 mechanism which is already 73. And/or it's already on the heavy side at 73, it would be still bigger and heavier at 76, even closer to the size of the 88 that it is supposed to be offering a smaller alternative to.
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