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david_l_perry · Joined: 21 Feb 2011 Posts: 10

HI Guys, new to this place.... Very Happy

Hope you can help.

I use a set of Roland PK bass pedals with a Korg X5DR module whilst playing bass in a live band

I am trying to find a way of building up a patch with a number of string sounds, and one of the strings playing the same note regardless of what notes I am pressing with my feet

Basically I want an E note playing no matter what key I press on the pedals so that I can play simple chords with one foot rather than falling over whilst playing..... Wink

Any suggestions on how to do this ?

Ta, Dave

robbinhood · Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:41 am Post subject:

One way would be to make zones for each key you would hit, and always transpose it up or down to an E along
so say the progression is 4 steps, make four zones of the same patch (takes up combi space...) and keep transposing them down.
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david_l_perry · Joined: 21 Feb 2011 Posts: 10

Thanks for the reply

I did wonder about doing it that way but it felt restrictive.

If I understand what you are saying here, for every key I would press I would need to duplicate that key on the same combi patch but pitched up/down to and E - I have done similar things for effect sounds

As I only have 8 patches in a combi mode and the string sound is made up of 3 of these to start with.....I think I would be very restricted in what I could play

Is there a way of creating a patch with a fixed key, so that it always plays the same note / sound irrespective of what key I am playing ?

I used to do it this way years ago with an older Kawai K1

Thanks Dave

robbinhood · Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:04 am Post subject:

well if you ask me theres nothing wrong with having just that E be one string patch, noone will be able to tell! haha
Dont quote me on this
but a sub oscillator might work, look it up, and see if its possible
but i dont know really anything about it
so ill hope someone chimes in one htat
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billbaker · Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:47 am Post subject:

Dave,

Interesting problem.

I think you've got the solution and just can't see it.

Review: You have a 3 layer string combi patch that sounds good to you. You want to add a 4th layer - constant pedal "E" to that combi.

Solution: You need to generate a patch that plays E no matter what, so that it can be added to the combi. Don't try to build it into the string sounds, or make the 3 do the 4ths job.

There's a parameter called "Key follow" - can't speak to edit page location except that it should be part of the pitch envelope. It is sometimes used to generate a portamento type key response, sometimes to generate directional microscales (think Talking drum pitches). But I think you can use it to set response to a single pitch [E!] such that no matter what you play it WON'T follow. Will need to be saved as a separate program; hope there's a slot available.

Hope this helps.

BB
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david_l_perry · Joined: 21 Feb 2011 Posts: 10

Thanks Bill

Thats exactly what I am looking for, and what I previsouly did with my old Kawai....

I will dig into it and report back...

robbinhood · Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:56 am Post subject:

*turns on triton*

*day has started*
i had no idea that was possible BB!
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david_l_perry · Joined: 21 Feb 2011 Posts: 10

Well...struggled like mad.....

Saved one of my string patches to a new slot.....started going through the manual and adjusting the Key tracking section of the patches, but nothing was changing.....

The area I was changing was 12a-12e
'Pitch Modulation' and adjusting the key tracking...(12d)

I can adjust the value from -99 to +99.

I dont think this is the right one as nothing was changing...

I was expecting to just be able to turn off the key tracking of the patch and then adjust the key it played.

I can work my way round the menu's and have the manual to hand....

Any ideas - specific instructions greatly appreciated Smile

Dave

billbaker · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:25 pm Post subject:

Glitch in architecture and nomenclature...

Downloaded PDF manual for X50

KORG's (as opposed to Kawai) name for the mystery function is PITCH SLOPE, found on pg. 10 of manual, section 2-1a. To Korg, key follow is a sub-osc function only.

Pitch slope (usual reaction to keys = +1, needs to be 0 (zero)) - this would result in middle "c" regardless of key(s) played.

then....

In oscillator 1 (+2 if 2 osc sound) set transpose + 4 or -7 for constant pedal "E" [page 8 of manual]. If lower octave notes are desired use OCTAVE function [pitch functions found on page 8, section 1-2].

To preserve polyphony, make this a MONO sound (page 6, section 1-1).

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Having done the leg work, I think I have the right to give a hearty "RTFM" here. If you have ambitions to stretch the plug-and-play envelope (which you obviously DO having thought up and then posted this problem) then you should curl up in front of the fire and read the parameter guide through.

Make margin notes, highlight functions you want to explore, above all look in more than one place for solutions. Sometimes you HAVE to look several places because the simplest solution has 4 or five parts -- like this one does!

BB
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billbaker · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:31 pm Post subject:

David -

Should have included some smiley's or something. Didn't mean to be preachy or harsh with the RTFM -- just that you're on the cusp of really GETTING your head wrapped around programming... you gotta keep at it.

Respectfully,

BB
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david_l_perry · Joined: 21 Feb 2011 Posts: 10

No worries at all Bill.... Cool

new here but certainly not new to forums.... Very Happy

Next time can you perhaps post up a YouTube montage of turning the pages and pressing the buttons...in fact, I think you should buy a plane ticket and come over to the UK and set it up for me....... Wink

Hopefully going to get chance to mess around later tonight after I finish my work.....(I run my own business and always end up working far to late)

Cheers pal

Dave

X-Trade · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:58 pm Post subject:

I've read this a number of times and been following your ideas for solution. The fixed pitch patch is what I first thought of too.

However, I feel an urge to point out at this point that the X50 is not the same as the X5D or X5DR. X50 is based on the Triton HI synthesis engine, whilst the X5D is based (I think) on the AI2 synthesis engine. Its not HI anyway. So the interface and pages are going to be very different - a step by step guide may not be very useful.

Being both Korg workstation synthesis technologies though, I think you'll find that the parameters are the same, but the screen layouts and sometimes names may be very different.
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david_l_perry · Joined: 21 Feb 2011 Posts: 10

Indeed...Didn't want to upset Bill by telling him the pages and reference didn't match what my manual says...... Very Happy

Going to crack on and work it out though...it was a lot simpler with my old Kawai...or perhaps it is that my brain has just aged a little bit more than the Kawai....

david_l_perry · Joined: 21 Feb 2011 Posts: 10

Just gone through the this again.....just cant get it to stop tracking the keyboard.....

Changing the pitch is no problem, just cant stop it tracking..... Confused

Really bugging me as I know it must be in there.....

X-Trade · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:20 pm Post subject:

I'm sorry to say but I've just spent ages trying to download the X5D manual. Finally got it, looks like there is no pitch slope or equivalent parameter that would allow you to produce a fixed-note patch...
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