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Sina172 Platinum Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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zahush76 Junior Member
Joined: 09 Mar 2011 Posts: 98
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:13 pm Post subject: Re: Oasys/K vs. Triton Extreme |
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synthguy wrote: | zahush76 wrote: | synthguy wrote: | Organs, Mellotrons and vintage keys should be there by the boatload. |
from the explanation of rich f on the several videos, it seems that on the mellotron "side of things" you get strings, choir and flutes. That seems maybe like the most famous sounds - but surely not worthy of the title "boatload". |
Well, that's why I said:
synthguy wrote: | There are supposed to be a lot of Mellotron and vintage keyboard and synth patches, since many users are proggers like me. |
I meant the term "boatload" in the sense that there are probably a ton of patches available in all those categories. Like I doubt that there are a "boatload" of Hohner Clavinet or Pianet patches, but a useful number should be there.
There's a reason that the strings, choir and flute are the usual Mellotron instruments available: the others are a bit lame. I can't remember the last time I heard Mellotron brass, though I know Tony Banks used it on Watcher of the Skies. Maybe Ryo Okumoto of Spock's Beard fame uses them, but I'm unaware of it, or say of anyone having ever used Mellotron sitar. However, I'm sure that Nord isn't the only source for Mellotron sounds, since Michael Pinder has been pretty good about sharing his master tape library. Besides, you can usually fudge it without too much trouble using filtering, sample rate manipulation, grungifying effects and the like. In fact I have some nice "Mellotron" violins I use to this day which I programmed on my Ensoniq SD-1. |
Just so that you can get a rough idea, i suggest you check out nord's demos of mellotron & chamberlin. You'll see that other than strings, flutes & choir - the other sounds are surprisingly good. You get lo-fi pianos, organs, vibraphone and a boatload ( ) of other sounds.
I guess i can always re-sample them, though. |
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WorknMan Junior Member
Joined: 14 Aug 2010 Posts: 67
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:20 am Post subject: |
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Speaking of electric pianos and pads, does the Oasys/Kronos have any equivalents the the 'Ballad Layer EP' combi from the Triton? The Motif XF doesn't ('Piano Back' comes close but no cigar) and neither did the M3.
I loooooooooved that patch... might have to score a Triton Rack just to get it back if there are no other good alternatives. |
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synthguy Platinum Member
Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 661
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:20 am Post subject: |
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It was kind of fun checking out those Mellotron and Chamberlin samples at Clavia. But, I will have to say that
- The Chamberlin sounds were so pristine, they didn't sound like tapes, but rather decent samples. Which made them sound a bit too much like... just more samples a bit less well done.
- The Mellotron sounds were definitely the grungy, mid-rangey vintage things I know and love. However, most of them other than strings, flutes and choir were kind of... yucky, and I can sure see why oddball bands like Radiohead and Flaming Lips would use them. I can also see why most real Mellotron owners don't wander much farther than the brass and pipe organ tapes, and I'd sure be hard pressed knowing what to do with anything else. And honestly, I'm unaware of any rompler or expansion soundsets which have anything other than strings, flutes and choir, and those companies that do offer Mellotron samples sell poorly, other than strings, flutes and choir.
But having rambled long enough on that, we don't really know what we'll get. Most likely the standard Mellotron offerings, but I know a few tricks to get normal samples to sound horrendously lo-fi and out of tune.
Oh, and for those guys who suggest sampling stuff to put in the KRONOS, I know KORG has been very good about making sampling on their synths almost foolproof, but frankly, I think having the original keyboard around too would be a much better idea. _________________ PRAY FOR THIS PLANET!! |
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Rosen Sound Approved Merchant
Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 1056 Location: Los Angeles, California
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:08 am Post subject: |
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i stand corrected, sorry! _________________
Current gear: Korg Kronos 61, Oberheim OB-8, Alesis Vortex
Past Gear: Triton Extreme w/moss & ram, Korg Radias, Kurzweil Micropiano, Triton classic, & Karma
Come visit my Burbank California repair shop/recording studio! Rosensound.com
And my band: Sirion.us.com |
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Sina172 Platinum Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:24 am Post subject: |
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zahush76 Junior Member
Joined: 09 Mar 2011 Posts: 98
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:56 am Post subject: |
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synthguy wrote: | But, I will have to say that
- The Chamberlin sounds were so pristine, they didn't sound like tapes, but rather decent samples. Which made them sound a bit too much like... just more samples a bit less well done.
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I thought about this myself when i first heard them, and started a thread about the difference between mellotron and chamberlin about three weeks ago. It turns out there's a perfectly good reason for that. In short, if i may qoute svengle: Quote: | The Chamberlin contained high-quality recordings of the players in the Lawrence Welk Orchestra taken via a Neumann U47 mic (if numerous reports on the web are to be believed), while the recordings for the Mellotron weren't as fastidiously done. |
Th rest of this short discussion could be found here: http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2279010/Searchpage/1/Main/158289/Words/mellotron/Search/true/Re_Difference_between_mellotro#Post2279010[/url]
About your second point:
Quote: | - The Mellotron sounds were definitely the grungy, mid-rangey vintage things I know and love. However, most of them other than strings, flutes and choir were kind of... yucky, and I can sure see why oddball bands like Radiohead and Flaming Lips would use them. |
I love both radiohead and the flaming lips, so i guess the point isn't that these sounds are bad or something - just that they are not your cup of tea. But there certainly my cup of tea. It comes down to personal taste and musical prefrences.
Maybe, in your musical style - you have no use of sounds like these. I do. |
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Jan1 Platinum Member
Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 765
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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Penumbra wrote: | Sina172 wrote: | EXer wrote: | Sina172 wrote: | I like how KRONOS uses the SAME DAC's as the OASYS at half the price! So your not gonna miss a thing, sonically. |
It's good to hear that Korg didn't cut the price on componants that contribute to the sound quality.
Could someone at Korg please confirm that no cost compromise has been made on the output stage (downstream from the DACs) between Oasys and Kronos? |
Dan already confirmed it in an earlier thread, hence why I knew that to begin with.
Sina |
Sina, let's do a favor for all of us. Shoot yourself in the head. Please.
The HD-1 it's the same, in the Kronos and in the Oasys, stupid retard. you're more useless than a pile of s**t. |
You are WAY out of line with such a disgusting, low personal attack. |
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Akos Janca Platinum Member
Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 1158 Location: Budapest, Hungary
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Jan1 wrote: | Penumbra wrote: | Sina, let's do a favor for all of us. Shoot yourself in the head. Please.
The HD-1 it's the same, in the Kronos and in the Oasys, stupid retard. you're more useless than a pile of s**t. |
You are WAY out of line with such a disgusting, low personal attack. |
+1.
Penumbra, anybody can watch your profile and re-read your all posts from there - they contain many similar attacks and personal offensive words. It makes no sense at all. _________________ AkosJanca.com | Facebook | YouTube | SoundCloud | FuturePlant || OASYS-demos | nanoROCK demo | Korg Band in the Garage demo | Kronos Demo 1 | Kronos Demo 2 |
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Kevin Nolan Approved Merchant
Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 2524 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Totally agree - there's no need for abusive posts like that.
Actually Sina - meant to reply a day or two ago - thanks most sincerely for the very clear and comprehensive post outlining the new features of Kronos and HD-1 in particular. Very informative (I'd read many of them in January/Feb but forgotton a lot of them - you're right - there are some clear development w.r.t HD-1 for sure). But I also like your comparison of Kronos/Oasys - that sums it up quite well.
Cheers, Kevin. |
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synthguy Platinum Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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zahush76 wrote: | they are not your cup of tea. But there certainly my cup of tea. It comes down to personal taste and musical prefrences. Maybe, in your musical style - you have no use of sounds like these. I do. |
Well, then even if these samples won't be in any of the vintage instrument banks, it should be fairly easy to make your own. Just be sloppy and inconsistent with your sampling. Abuse them with cheap mikes and electronics, misuse EQing and effects, sample slightly out of tune. Grab the Nord samples and make something of them, if they're wav files. I'm sure with the KRONOS, we can all win. _________________ PRAY FOR THIS PLANET!! |
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