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McHale
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REPLACING the actual keybed with a different non-KORG keybed will be impossible. Replacing it was an actual Korg keybed (ala M3-73) is possible but would require a ton of work. Modifying the already existing RH3 is really the only realistic option.
If I knew the name of an engineer that knows enough about the RH3, I'd fly out to talk to him. I can't tell from the M3-88 service manual. 
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Akos Janca
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| McHale wrote: | REPLACING the actual keybed with a different non-KORG keybed will be impossible. Replacing it was an actual Korg keybed (ala M3-73) is possible but would require a ton of work. Modifying the already existing RH3 is really the only realistic option.
If I knew the name of an engineer that knows enough about the RH3, I'd fly out to talk to him. I can't tell from the M3-88 service manual. |
I think replacing with another actual Korg keybed is still less risky than to physically mofidy the RH3. Not sure but the change may also alter the range and evenness of the MIDI signal coming out from the keybed. Although an interesting experiment.
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Bertotti
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| I would just add the mster keybed like has been suggested to me earlier on. |
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TheLeadingSaw
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Why do you need a Korg keybed? Piano and keyboard keys have a "standart", so in dimensions, Fatar and Korg make the same keybeds.
And modifying the RH3 yourself is probably more risky than replacing it.
If you don't have any experience in modifying such things, you probably shouldn't do it but someone who does and have a problem with the RH3, probably not so crazy. |
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danatkorg
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I'm sorry, but it's not practical for a user to either modify the keybed, or to replace it with another.
There's always that MIDI jack on the back...
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McHale
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| danatkorg wrote: | I'm sorry, but it's not practical for a user to either modify the keybed, or to replace it with another.
There's always that MIDI jack on the back... |
Taking warranty and practicality out of the picture, is there a way to modify the existing RH3 to speed up it's sluggish action? New springs or spring clips? Removing weights? Duck tape and wire? Anything?
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dennisj
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:59 am Post subject: Re: Keybeds |
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| Bertotti wrote: | | I've been reading about the keybeds and have a question. I read in other uses the rh3 has some adjustability is this true in the Kronos? And am I correct in understanding it does not have after touch in which case could a pedal compensate for that or the ribbon? Thanks |
In my experience on the M3, RH3 aftertouch is very poor (it seems that weighted keybeds and aftertouch really don't go well together). You really need to press hard on the keys (and i mean really hard) to get a noticeable effect.
Since Kronos and M3 aftertouch is not polyphonic anyway, an expression pedal will not just compensate, but will actually serve as a more expressive alternative. |
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mrk
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:30 am Post subject: Re: Keybeds |
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| dennisj wrote: | | In my experience on the M3, RH3 aftertouch is very poor (it seems that weighted keybeds and aftertouch really don't go well together). You really need to press hard on the keys (and i mean really hard) to get a noticeable effect. |
I have to disagree. I do not own a M3, nor have I played a RH3 keybed, yet, but I owned several 88 keys with aftertouch (currently Motif XS). I really like this keybed and the aftertouch "just works" for me (so I wouldn't state it was overly hard to let it respond). On the contrary, you have to play normal to "a little careful" to not get an AT response. (This is why AT events do not get recorded by the sequencer by default). But again the "accidental" AT events are usually in the range 0-10.
Therefor I think weighted keys and AT can play together very well. But as I never played a RH3 your statements about its quality do concern me a little, as I am thinking about getting a Kronos 88. |
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McHale
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The RH3 keybed is actually really good and IMHO, better than the other weighted keybeds out there. It's just no match for a good semi-weighted. As a result of the 73/88 having RH3, I cancelled my Kronos order and will either buy a used OASYS 76 or wait and see if they ever release a KRONOS variant with semi-weighted keys in the 76 key range.
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Congrats on your decision!
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GregC
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| McHale wrote: | | The RH3 keybed is actually really good and IMHO, better than the other weighted keybeds out there. It's just no match for a good semi-weighted. As a result of the 73/88 having RH3, I cancelled my Kronos order and will either buy a used OASYS 76 or wait and see if they ever release a KRONOS variant with semi-weighted keys in the 76 key range. |
or you can practice on an acoustic piano which is more practical than wishful thinking on a semi weighed 76.
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McHale
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| GregC wrote: | | or you can practice on an acoustic piano which is more practical than wishful thinking on a semi weighed 76. |
I don't understand how that will resolve the fact that the RH3 keybed isn't capable of fast playing or organ techniques ESPECIALLY since I have an acoustic piano that I play every day.
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GregC
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| McHale wrote: | | GregC wrote: | | or you can practice on an acoustic piano which is more practical than wishful thinking on a semi weighed 76. |
I don't understand how that will resolve the fact that the RH3 keybed isn't capable of fast playing or organ techniques ESPECIALLY since I have an acoustic piano that I play every day. |
I noticed fast playing by other players on the Kronos 88.
Organ gliss' , I do agree. That alone, should not be a deal breaker.
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McHale
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| GregC wrote: | I noticed fast playing by other players on the Kronos 88.
Organ gliss' , I do agree. That alone, should not be a deal breaker. |
I've spent hours with an M3-88 since the KRONOS was announced and you can play fast runs on the RH3 but anything that requires fast response from a single key (Boston organs affect me) and the RH3 is just too sluggish. Korg's Kronos demos show this where the product specialist has 2 kronos on stage - 1 for piano playing and the other for fast organ playing. And the sad fact is, he didn't play anything on the 61 key that I would consider fast or complicated. I play much more difficult stuff than that every show.
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