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dustymaestro
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 Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:04 pm Post subject: Will the Kronos be able to sequence external gear? |
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| Hi there, just trying to get some more details for this monster. Is the Kronos able to sequence external hardware? |
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EnjoyRC
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely! Korg's been doing that for years.
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dustymaestro
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| Ok that's a plus. You happen to know how much hardware I can sequence with one midi out? I would like to daisy chain about three other pieces. Would there be a noticeable latency? |
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ScoobyDoo555
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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16 channels per MIDI out.....
up to 16 synths.
If you start getting into using MIDI In, Out & Thru, then yes, you will get a bit of delay.
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Kevin Nolan
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| dustymaestro wrote: | | Ok that's a plus. You happen to know how much hardware I can sequence with one midi out? I would like to daisy chain about three other pieces. Would there be a noticeable latency? |
My Korg Karma workstation is the 5th in a chain of synths and modules linked via their MIDI in and thru sockets and I notice no latency issues. But if you do in your setup, purchase a MOTU MIDI interface and that will take care of it.
Sometimes workstations (especially older ones from the '90s) demonstrate noticeable MIDI-sequencer-playback latency due to their internal processing capabilities at high MIDI track counts (and not daisy chaining with other hardware). The SY77, for example, exhibited obvious greater latency near 16 MIDI tracks used - even if used isolated from other gear; but most modern workstations are fine in this respect. I have, however, noticed some slight but problematic latency issues even in the OASYS at _very_ high voice counts - when I pushed it to the limit and used its 170+ (equivalent) voices across 16 tracks. I recorded some to internal audio tracks and that resolved the issue.
Kevin.
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Sina172
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Kontrol49
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| dustymaestro wrote: | | Ok that's a plus. You happen to know how much hardware I can sequence with one midi out? I would like to daisy chain about three other pieces. Would there be a noticeable latency? |
none that your probably going to really notice,put the least important or little used gear at the end of the chain or get yourself a small midi thru unit,which will help keep the signal delay to minimal
I've sequenced 4/5 midi units daisy chained,from a Korg Triton/Trinity never noticed any problems with delays,the only notable delays your going to see is usually time critical instruments like Drums,but if your sequencing those internally in Kronos there shouldn't be an issue,and if so try and keep them on channel 10,if you have an external drum box then put it at the front of the chain after the kronos
using a midi thru unit is usually the best option rather than daisy chaining especially if you intend to sync arpeggios and things using the kronos as a master clock source,the last thing you want is timing delays in a daisy chain configuration
I use 2 Midisport 8X8 midi patchers/Routers because of the amount of devices I need to sequence and because I need to reroute different signal to different synths without having to unplug everything all the time but a small 1 Midi in to 3 thrus would suffice in your case.
Although I tend not to sequence large amounts of Midi gear anyway at one time,I usually render some tracks to an audio Multitrack so I'm not running everything via midi,I really only sequence complex parts or time critical things Like drums or repetitive parts which require the aid of a machine for perfect timings everything else I try to do live as much as I can.
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dustymaestro
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Good info and tips. |
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jg::
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You shouldn't experience noticeable latency, as others have said.
However, there's no reason to keep drums on MIDI ch. 10.
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dustymaestro
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| Keeping drums on midi channel 10 is an old school thing. I think back than devices and older daw's would default drums to channel 10. Something like that. |
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Kontrol49
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| jg:: wrote: |
there's no reason to keep drums on MIDI ch. 10.
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No there isn't...
I used to produce commercial midi files for a company so its kind of a standard procedure or rule of thumb that extends from the Yamaha XG methods to select drum banks,nothing to say you have to work like this its just a form of housekeeping I have always used when producing Midi sequences,even in my own sequences I stick to this method as its easier to come back to files months and years later.
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ScoobyDoo555
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| jg:: wrote: | You shouldn't experience noticeable latency, as others have said.
However, there's no reason to keep drums on MIDI ch. 10.
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Just to clarify, this is what I meant, but stick more than 5 items in a midi chain (in, thru, in, thru etc) and you could start to hear timing issues.
But if it's just the odd item, you should be fine.
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