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sfernald
Joined: 09 May 2011 Posts: 22 Location: California, USA
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 4:45 am Post subject: Question on Kronos guitars |
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Kronos will be my first synth other than a little microkorg.
I have a lot of sheet music with guitar parts. If I play the guitar part on the kronos keyboard with a guitar instrument will it sound just as if I had played that part with a guitar? Will it be close at least - will it pass if I push to the back of the mix with effects / reverb? |
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MidnightPackage Full Member
Joined: 03 Apr 2011 Posts: 171
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 5:17 am Post subject: |
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I think it depends on a number of factors: what type of guitar sound are you wanting to emulate, how well you understand the differences between a keyboard and the guitar (you cannot play a part as you would on a piano) and how discerning your ears are. I think that modern instruments can go a long way toward emulating stringed instruments, but they are not magical. The timbre should be very close, but a lot of the rest is up to you. There are some feature of Karma that could help you, such as strumming and other articulations. |
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synthguy Platinum Member
Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 661
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Watch video demonstrations of workstations like the OASYS, which is essentially a Kronos Jr. Or the M3 which is similar. There are a number of them in which the keyboardist plays guitar parts. Note how they perform them, and how convincing it is. As MidnightPackage says, the fingering technique is completely different for a keyboard, so you have to learn to think like a guitar player.
I actually went through this myself way back in '91 when I got my first rompler workstation, an Ensoniq SD-1 which I still own. I lost track of my guitar pals, so I realized I had to school myself on how it was done if I wanted any "guitar" parts on my tunes. Eventually, I even impressed one of my guitar buddies. _________________ PRAY FOR THIS PLANET!! |
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sparkie Platinum Member
Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 743 Location: Indiana
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Slovenec Full Member
Joined: 15 Jan 2011 Posts: 170
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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The Ensoniq SD1 (and TS10) after it, had some fantastic lead guitar programs. I'm not sure how the SD1 did for acoustic guitars but the TS10 was quite good for 1993.
Why couldn't Korg eventually implement some of the RX technology that they use to make acoustic sounds more 'authentic' in their PA series? The PA guitars are awesome.
It will be interesting to see what type of guitar programs/combi's, Korg will provide straight out of the box in Kronos. _________________ MIDITEK MUSIC PRODUCTION RECORDING & TUITION- albums, demos, jingles. Recording, arranging & mixing. |
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burningbusch Approved Merchant
Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 1203 Location: Seattle
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sfernald
Joined: 09 May 2011 Posts: 22 Location: California, USA
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks guys for the excellent demos. I think I'm going to be more than happy with the guitar sounds. Some of those karma ones are amazing.
Out of curiosity, what is the instrument that plays at about 1:20 ON THE STR-1 Acoustic Guitar demo? I never hear that thing except in classical music and movies from that era. That thing sounds like it would be intense to play! I love that sound - I think they nailed it. |
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Teh Mick Full Member
Joined: 28 Nov 2007 Posts: 131 Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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sfernald wrote: | Thanks guys for the excellent demos. I think I'm going to be more than happy with the guitar sounds. Some of those karma ones are amazing.
Out of curiosity, what is the instrument that plays at about 1:20 ON THE STR-1 Acoustic Guitar demo? I never hear that thing except in classical music and movies from that era. That thing sounds like it would be intense to play! I love that sound - I think they nailed it. |
Sounds like a harpsichord _________________ Korg Kronos 61
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kenackr Platinum Member
Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 521 Location: Corpus Christi Metro Area
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Synthguy,
When you call the Oasys a Kronos Jr. you are showing a lack of knowledge about the Oasys. The Kronos is in fact an Oasys Jr..
I'm not sure where you got your information, but you are misinformed. Yes, the Oasys came before the Kronos but that does not make it lesser than. There is still no synthesizer on the face of this planet, including the Kronos, that is as as powerful and deep.
Newer is not always better. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not knocking the Kronos and I may eventually wind up owning one if nothing else comes along in the meantime until the Oasys dies from old age with no more replacement parts.
Happy trails,
Ken _________________ O88, T1, Wavestation, M1r, Pa 4X 76, Proteus 1-3, Morpheus, UltraProteus, K1200, Akai S2000, DP8 |
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McHale Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 2487 Location: B.F.E.
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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kenackr wrote: | There is still no synthesizer on the face of this planet, including the Kronos, that is as as powerful and deep. |
Wow. Please explain. Considering that the Kronos has every engine that the OASYS has, has added some, added additional functionality and hardware improvements and sounds just as good. I'm confused by your statement. _________________ Current Korg Gear: KRONOS 88 (4GB), M50-73 (PS mod), RADIAS-73, Electribe MX, Triton Pro (MOSS, SCSI, CF, 64MB RAM), SQ-64, DVP-1, MEX-8000, MR-1, KAOSSilator, nanoKey, nanoKontrol, 3x nanoPad 2, 3x DS1H, 7x PS1, FC7 (yes Korg, NOT Yamaha). |
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synthguy Platinum Member
Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 661
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 12:16 am Post subject: |
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That's kind of what I was thinking, Mac.
The larger tilt/touch screen is nice. The extra ins and outputs are really nice, including phantom powered mic inputs. So if you were wanting something that functioned a bit like a Pro Tools MBox with the best workstation in the world as host, OASYS would have the lead. But other than that, the new piano engines and all those new drum samples, and those spanky new programs Jack Hotop and the team came up with and their seamless transitions, PLUS the setlist, make me think Kronos is the stuff. _________________ PRAY FOR THIS PLANET!! |
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McHale Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 2487 Location: B.F.E.
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 1:16 am Post subject: |
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A friend of mine who HAS an OASYS is selling it for the Kronos. The reason I keep hearing him say over and over is DAW integration. The OASYS doesn't have it.
And if anyone here decides to buy his OASYS 76 (at a decent price), you'll know it's been fully gone through, updated and repaired by yours truly by this:
And by the way, if Korg is reading this...
THANK YOU for the easy access on the OASYS! It was EXACTLY like working on the DSS-1... _________________ Current Korg Gear: KRONOS 88 (4GB), M50-73 (PS mod), RADIAS-73, Electribe MX, Triton Pro (MOSS, SCSI, CF, 64MB RAM), SQ-64, DVP-1, MEX-8000, MR-1, KAOSSilator, nanoKey, nanoKontrol, 3x nanoPad 2, 3x DS1H, 7x PS1, FC7 (yes Korg, NOT Yamaha). |
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zahush76 Junior Member
Joined: 09 Mar 2011 Posts: 98
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 3:47 am Post subject: |
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On the info - on the left side - is says: Quote: | Part 3 of the 40 minute presentation at Music Player Live (October 2005, NYC). |
In other words, this is a six year old technology... |
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