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Kronos fx limitations....
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jimknopf
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I know this was true to a certain degree for the Tritons (my last Korg workstation was a Trinity), but from my view not for most of the Oasys/Kronos sounds from the different engines.
HD-1 seems to have some older, less qualified sample material which may have that problem (some thin and cheap sound e-guitars and the like), but most Kronos sounds seem to sound best with limited, but conscious effect use.

I don't like overdose effect processing anyway: it makes patches sound very muddy and "cheap" in combi and sequencer context, even if it may sound ok with a single sound.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimH wrote:
On a Yamaha I can only run two insert effects for a part but I can run them in series or in parallel. I'm not sure what I would ever need parallel for, so I'm not complaining about it. It's something I noticed.

A voice is made of up to 4 elements (EX5, Motif, Motif ES) or up to 8 elements (Motif XS, XF).
Parallel insert fx blocks within a voice allow for more flexibility.
For instance, you could route, say, elements 1 and 2 to an amp simulator, and elements 3 and 4 to a flanger.
And there are composite insert fx blocks; e.g. compressor+overdrive+delay, wah+distortion+delay.

This way you can built complex voices. A well programmed Yamaha voice is almost an equivalent of a Korg combi .
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EXer wrote:
michelkeijzers wrote:
It seems that most Yamaha/Roland workstations can only use 1 effect for a single voice[...]

That was true 20 years ago (OK, 10 years ago for Roland Wink ). Maybe you should update your knowledge...

Motif XS/XF : 8 parts in a performance have their own insertion fx blocks (insert A + insert B for each of these 8 parts)

Fantom G : each part has dedicated fx, so a patch sounds exactly the same in a live set or in a studio set as in single mode (the Fantom X war more limited, nevertheless it had 3 MFX in performance mode)

michelkeijzers wrote:
[...]whereas Korg workstations can use all insert effects for each program in a combi.


That's not true.

M3 : only 5 insert effects available in a combi.

OASYS : 16 pgms in a combi, 12 insert effects.



About my outdated knowledge regarding for Yamaha and Roland: I completely agree (I found it at a website, which may contain old info).

About the insert effects: what I mean is you can use all of the 5 (or 12) insert effects for all programs ... not set to different types, but you can route all of the 16 programs in a combi through those 5 inserts (or a set of those programs to some of the inserts with some limitations).
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, now I understand what you meant.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

michelkeijzers:
What limitations are you refering to?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shakil wrote:
michelkeijzers:
What limitations are you refering to?


At least on the M50 you can use 5 inserts and redirect the output of the first to the second, from the second to the third etc. For each program in a combi you can select to which insert it should be redirected (so you can use multiple programs redirected to e.g. insert 2). Insert 2 may be redirected to 3. However, it's not possible to use only insert 2 (without insert 3) for a program and use insert 2 AND 3 for another program. Either one or more programs are redirected to both 2 and 3 OR to another insert (or to a non insert). However, it is possible to redirect programs to insert 2 (which is redirected to 3) and redirect (an)other program(s) to only 3.

I try to display it below:

Combi is using prg1 and prg2.

Possible:
prg1 -> insert 2 -> insert 3 -> main/total effects or L/R
prg2 -> insert 2 -> insert 3 -> main/total effects or L/R

Possible:
prg1 -> insert 2 -> insert 3 -> main/total effects or L/R
prg2 -> insert 3 -> main/total effects or L/R

Not possible:
prg1 -> insert 2 -> insert 3 -> main/total effects or L/R
prg2 -> insert 2 -> main/total effects or L/R

The last example shows the limitation.
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