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aron

Not interested in people playing at home. I want hear why this keyboard iis good for LIVE gigs. Assuming the sounds are good what does the hardware offer a live performance player from someone that really gigs with it?
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Devnor · Junior Member Joined: 30 Jan 2011 Posts: 94

Yes "Assuming the sounds are good" so what might be important to a live player?

Tone remain? Yes
Quick access to sounds? There's a few different ways to select sounds...that row of buttons, datawheel, inc/dec live sets within a registration, registration buttons on the lower panel, footswitch.
Powerful controllers? D-beam, assignable knobs, tone blender + shuffle.
Quick splits/layers? Dedicated split buttons for lower & solo sections.
Vivid, easy to read display
Dedicated transpose & octave buttons
XLR & TRS outputs
15 second boot time which includes every instrument in the machine -available instantly
Superior industrial design & build quality

After all this time I don't understand the need to put products in little boxes but assuming everyone isn't trying to be the next Jordan Rudess using a single instrument (which he doesn't do anymore) wouldnt you agree these features would benefit any musician?

aron · Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:18 pm Post subject:

That's what I wanted to hear. Are you using it live?

> Tone remain

Yes, this is important. Is it just like the Kronos where you can go from single to layered to split with no changes in fx?

> Dedicated split buttons for lower & solo sections

Yes, but when you do a split or layer, is there a way to have only your chosen sounds appear in a list? That's one thing I have always wanted.

I have played it several times. I still wish it had assignable knobs and sliders like a PC3 or Kronos. I pretty much agree with most of the reviews about what it lacks. However what I wanted to know (and what I may have missed), is what makes it a live performance keyboard. That's how they push the product, so I was wondering what makes it easier to use than another keyboard for live use.

I pretty much agree with this review.

http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/keys-synths/synthesizers-compact-synthesizers/jupiter-80-487265/review
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cello · Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:28 pm Post subject:

I think there's a broad confusion about what 'performance' means re the JP-80.

The obvious one is that of the live, gigging musician. It is amazingly quick to edit on the fly with buttons that introduce new splits, solos, or tone blending with the pedal, all assignable per live set and registration. So yes, it can be immensely useful for the guy doing gigs.

But the other 'performance' (which is the one I think that generally folks don't get), is that of performing with a highly responsive instrument for the guy in the studio (which is me!).

Imagine a cello - there are lots of tricks like a Bartok Pizz - very different to a normal pizz (no synth does this by the way, but the JP-80 is the closest I've ever got - and that was in the shop!). Then there's col legno, etc, etc. That's the performance bit I'm talking about.

The JP-80 extends the sonic possibilities for you to perform with whether it's live or in the studio.

I agree Roland is pushing the gigging element but for me, it is massively more useful than any other similarly priced, recently released performance/workstation hybrids out there at the moment.

It truly is a musical marvel, IMHO.
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aron · Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:10 pm Post subject:

aron · Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:36 am Post subject:

OK I checked the manual. Here's some cool things I didn't know about.

MIDI File->Arpeggiator. Nice idea.
Tone Blender is a cool idea - up to 3 parameters - but the coolest is that you can set it to random.
The manual says that Tone Remain may not work for some effects, but it's still cool to have.
The audio player can change speed and pitch! Another very useful feature.
Harmony Intelligence module - another cool feature can be applied to the upper part to harmonize in real-time based on the lower part chord.
The solo and percussion seem to share a common reverb - this is a little weird but usable.
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sani · Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:57 am Post subject:

Devnor · Junior Member Joined: 30 Jan 2011 Posts: 94

All parts/tones share the same reverb.

sani · Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:34 pm Post subject:

Devnor · Junior Member Joined: 30 Jan 2011 Posts: 94

The simplified drawings in the documentation certainly makes it appear there are 3 reverbs. If you examine the logic behind the coloring of FX signal flow (blue FX sends to MFX within live sets programmed as part of the live set or the blue send to 3 block solo/perc layer FX block as programmed as part of the registration) it appears to me there is only 1 reverb.

sani · Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:10 pm Post subject:

Devnor,
I'm confused now since you're the one who owns the instrument, not me.

JP80 Owners manual, P.11:

Devnor · Junior Member Joined: 30 Jan 2011 Posts: 94

I have spent little time with reverb except for lowering the sends so you could be entirely right. According the pages you referenced you're probably right LOL. I'll play with setting and let you know.

As a Jupiter owner I'm on an island. No discussion between owners at all.

aron · Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:42 pm Post subject:

> As a Jupiter owner I'm on an island. No discussion between owners at all.

Devnor,

I know of at least 2 people you could talk to and they would love to talk! Laughing

I think Sani might be the first that will actually start programming the Jupiter and I look forward to hearing what will become of it.
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cello · Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:55 pm Post subject:

sani · Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:47 pm Post subject: