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Cpilot · Senior Member Joined: 05 Oct 2011 Posts: 427

Well, I did a lot of playing around with the Overb parameters, using Cathedral Organ and still couldn't get it to sound right. Switched to Hall or Smooth Hall - perfect. Sounded just like being in a cathedral. Played all sorts, Pomp and Circumstance no. 4, Bach, War March of the priests etc. I think I'll stick to Hall. I should add that I was sitting 6 feet from a pair of full range speakers spaced 12 feet apart in a room 27 feet long. I imagine it would sound quite different with a couple of amps or a pair of near field monitors in a control room or studio.

Bryan

Zeroesque · Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:31 pm Post subject:

Cpilot · Senior Member Joined: 05 Oct 2011 Posts: 427

I was thinking about what I posted a little while afterwards and realised I had got it wrong, so I measured it. The speakers are placed 10 feet apart and I was seven feet away from both. A bit closer to an equilateral triangle. It's the room that's 12 feet wide so that's where I got confused (I'm always a bit confused anyway). I could sit further back but there's a table in the way.

Bryan

RonF · Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:18 pm Post subject:

Assuming you are using near field monitors, 10 feet apart is too wide for proper near field monitoring anyways, IMO. That triangle should be closer in at all 3 points. I wouldn't want perhaps more than 6 feet in each direction. A bit less may be better still.
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JPWC · Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:10 pm Post subject:

Don't know what monitor placement or even the JP-80 have to do with Overb, but............ Shocked

I do my critical monitoring (mixing and EQ with effects) in a 3 foot triangle. KRK's

But when jamming I use Mackie SRM450's spread at about 10 feet.

I am trying to suggest your monitor placement should match your application.

And when I am getting ready for a gig with my guitar playing friends, I use headphone with me in the right ear and other heavy metal guitar CD's playing the left. Very Happy

Maybe the point here is that without proper monitoring you can not judge the sound quality or mix of any effect, including the Overb.
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philmagnotta · Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:52 am Post subject:

Some thoughts about digital reverberators...
First, as regards the O-verb as a mastering verb. Well if you mean on the master bus of kronos, then sure, it will be very serviceable.
If you mean as master for audio being brought-in to kronos, it depends on the source/arrangement.
Most important is the fact that a reverb processor requires experience/skill for best results. Although most units have algorithms and presets designed for getting you to various types of source scenarios for the material to be processed.
Like compressors, they do require specific adjustments relative to the material at hand.
As for the technical quality of any unit, even if you were using Briscati units there is no guarantee that the verb will be properly adjusted for a particular application unless you've acquired some lengthy period of experiment and study regarding their usage.
Since the O-verb is not the most advanced- best quality verb ever produced, you have to know how to achieve a best compromise solution.
BTW, the Kurzweil KDFX processor included in their present keyboards has already been established as a top performing unit- both as was implemented in the rack unit and on their keyboards.
It is not true to say that the o-verb is the best ever placed in a keyboard.
Nevertheless, any reverb unit in a current top of the line workstation will do the job- if you know how. Besides many excellent recordings have made using digital reverbs that were not up the standards of o-verb.

aron · Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:51 am Post subject:

philmagnotta · Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:21 am Post subject:

Kevin Nolan · Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:21 pm Post subject:

Agree with the other posters - Overb is excellent. Its 'engine' is certainly the equal of the TC Electronics M2000 (my best hardware reverb) - a respectable reverb - and of course it has very good editable parameters making it adaptable to various different scenarios.

As a test - choose the 'Infinite' preset and listen to how smooth the reverb remains even on that setting (or other very long reverb times). It really shows how capable and smooth the reverb generating engine is - it is noticeably better than the other reverbs on board.

I agree with Dan - the 750+ effects presets (given as a free upgrade to the OASYS and seemingly on board the Kronos by default) are an exquisite package - there's a lot of excellent and very usable programming and configuration gone into to those presets.

JPROBERTLA · Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:02 pm Post subject:

Kevin Nolan wrote:

Agree with the other posters - Overb is excellent. Its 'engine' is certainly the equal of the TC Electronics M2000 (my best hardware reverb) - a respectable reverb - and of course it has very good editable parameters making it adaptable to various different scenarios.

As a test - choose the 'Infinite' preset and listen to how smooth the reverb remains even on that setting (or other very long reverb times). It really shows how capable and smooth the reverb generating engine is - it is noticeably better than the other reverbs on board.

I agree with Dan - the 750+ effects presets (given as a free upgrade to the OASYS and seemingly on board the Kronos by default) are an exquisite package - there's a lot of excellent and very usable programming and configuration gone into to those presets.]

In the second paragraph you mentioned an "Infinite" preset. Where is this? On the FX pull down menus, there in only one Overb.[/b]
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Cpilot · Senior Member Joined: 05 Oct 2011 Posts: 427

One effect that seems to be conspicuous by its absence is convolution. However, the amount of processing required would probably kill the Kronos. Maybe we'll have to wait for Kronos 2 with a Core I7 or something similar. In the end though, reverb comes down to personal taste like anything else. Our ears and perception are different for everyone.

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EXer · Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:47 pm Post subject:

marianghioda · Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:25 pm Post subject:

Great topic, reminded me the importance of reverbs. On the same note, what are the other effects (delay, compressor, etc.) that you guys find newer and better quality, comparable with Overb?

BTW, THIS is what we should focus on in this forum, not bitchin and whining about every little thing that we can't figure out in 5 minutes.

Cpilot · Senior Member Joined: 05 Oct 2011 Posts: 427

I played around with Overb yet again and FINALLY got it to sound the way I wanted. Had to do lots of adjusting with the damping and reverb time. Lot of fiddling though. I suppose I could save the preset after adjustments but it's much easier just to select Hall and that sounds right without any changes. This only applies to the Cathedral Organ though. Be a lot different for other stuff. The Operation Guide is a bit misleading. The paragraph about selecting effects presets just gives information about Insert effects as though you couldn't use presets with Master or Total effects.

Bryan