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Inverse osc wave on Radias/EXB-Radias?

 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:28 pm    Post subject: Inverse osc wave on Radias/EXB-Radias? Reply with quote

Is there a way to invert the oscillator waveform on the EXB-Radias or a way to emulate an inversion?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope. The oscillators are free-running, that is, unless you have the timbre on mono. What exactly are you trying to do? Using unison within the oscillator and setting the phase will adjust the start position of the stacked oscillators.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

if you use a saw wave and add a reverse saw wave to osc 2 and then finetune up osc 2 a bit, you will get solid pwm wave modulation. Nice SID sound. This is what I want to get with EXB-Radias. I want this there to later combine the pwm sound type with other features from Radias.

So you say the oscs are freerunning until I switch to mono mode? But freerunning oscs wouldn't be a problem, I think.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So there is no way?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you would be fine with oscillator 1 set to saw with the modulation set to 'waveform'. set control 1 to 50% and control 2 to about the same then adjust lfo 1 rate to taste.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CharlesFerraro wrote:
I think you would be fine with oscillator 1 set to saw with the modulation set to 'waveform'. set control 1 to 50% and control 2 to about the same then adjust lfo 1 rate to taste.


Thanks, that sounds ok, but not soo cool pwm like. Much better seems to be EDS with reverse wave. Maybe another idea how to approach?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ffx wrote:
Much better seems to be EDS with reverse wave. Maybe another idea how to approach?


Note: If you tick the Reverse box on an EDS waveform, the wave form will not loop. Some samples are rather short, so all you would hear is a blip. Some samples cannot be reversed.

You might be better off sampling the Radias, reversing the sample yourself and setting an appropriate loop point, and then using EDS to play back the wave.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HardSync wrote:
ffx wrote:
Much better seems to be EDS with reverse wave. Maybe another idea how to approach?


Note: If you tick the Reverse box on an EDS waveform, the wave form will not loop. Some samples are rather short, so all you would hear is a blip. Some samples cannot be reversed.

You might be better off sampling the Radias, reversing the sample yourself and setting an appropriate loop point, and then using EDS to play back the wave.


Well, in the factory wave table there are plenty of sets with normal+reverse wave already included, in the section "Single Wave".

But I would like to use the possibilities of Radias on a PWM wave.

There are really some reverse waveforms missing in the Radias' OSCs in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True.

The Radias accepts audio inputs (which you can use the Aux L/R bus to input an EDS wave into a Radias program when in Combi mode), despite the lack of reverse waveforms in the Radias itself.

As noted above, Waveform Modulation is probably your best bet. You can get really close to PWM by setting LFO 1 to a triangle wave and increasing the control 2 modulation intensity. Adjust the speed of LFO 1 accordingly or use a controller to do so and you're rocking.

Will it be exactly what you want? No. But I like work with what I have rather than trying to make it be something it isn't.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could try ring modulating a sawtooth wave with a pulse wave.

Just trying to imagine the resulting waveform from the offset inverse sawtooth in my head..

I assume you're not after typical square wave pwm?

Or are you talking about something else entirely? Using the decimator wave shaper may help.
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