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[apex]

How are you guys dealing with the limitations of the 3.25 (or less) of RAM. I know that all instruments with samples have limits on what can be loaded at a specific time... but to me the Kronos has the most intricate system. Being able to decide SPECIFICALLY what sample data to load and not load even within a certain sample set.

I have the RAM expanded in my Kronos, but I got an error on startup the other day saying that there wasn't enough memory to load my entire set of auto-load files. So for the first time, I am having to decide what to load and what not to load.

While I do see myself being able to overcome this situation, I wonder what happens in the future when I purchase or create even more samples... If I've run into walls already, with the available sample sets we currently have...

What am I going to do when the Legendary Strings, etc... become available.

Just wondering what you guys are doing to cope with this. I remember Jim saying at one point that he'd gone in and replaced ALL the preload drum samples (199 MB streaming) with the samples from the Ricky Lawson set (129 MB streaming). When he did that, he didn't have to load the preload drum stuff anymore... If I understood him correctly, this would have saved him about 70 MB worth of space and he would have gotten better drums in the process.

Just the same... if I load the data from all 3 of the piano libraries, I'd be using 609 MB of data (again this is all MB of the streaming forms of the data), but if you load only 2 of them you only use anywhere from 353 MB (factory settings) - 469 MB...

So as you see different configurations of the data can save you quite a bit of space.

I just wanted to get some ideas of how you guys are managing/arranging your data to make the most of the 3.25 limit (still a very generous amount of space, but )

Thanks.
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[RonF]

A couple things to think about:

1. Get real familiar with Disc mode, and how you can preview most patches right from that screen. In some ways, its more of a librarian for storing and previewing almost unlimited number of all types of patches on your Kronos.

2 With the above in mind, I create a PCG for each new "project" I am working on, and load into that PCG from Disk Mode the patches I want to use in that project. So I spend a lot of time in disk mode.

3. I created a template PCG for this purpose, which is loaded with my most fundamental patches and stuff, but then has a bunch of blank initialized banks for loading other stuff. I also have a more general PCG which includes my favorites...this I use for more casual use of the Kronos, to play, jam, and compose. I also made an "orchestral PCG" which is focused on orchestral patches, for those types of writing sessions.

Essentially....the PCG file type is the solution to this problem you mention......and managing them in Disk Mode is what its all about. For me, I was enlightened when I began to use Disk Mode as my main source of demo'ing and browsing patches, rather than Program Mode. In Disk Mode, you have no real limitations....even the real time controllers work while in this mode. And in Disk Mode, as you audition patches, you are not locked into ONE PCG....you can therefore move around anywhere you want (you will want to do a good job organizing, and naming your files and folders in Disk Mode), and only load those items you need into a "project".
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So you use this to manage your sample data too? or just sound files and banks. ....
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[RonF]

Well, these are tied at the hip, right!

You have your KSC's that you load in conjunction with your PCG's, where appropriate. Its so easy on Kronos to load a KSC right from the Load PCG screen. As I said....you perhaps need to do a better or more thoughtful job of naming and organizing your files in Disk Mode, so you know what goes with what.

Naturally you have to remain aware of your available RAM.....but using these "Template PCG" files i referred to above, which contain bare bones core patches, and lots of free space for project specific choices........I find I rarely need to even think about available RAM. For the most part, I have plenty per project.
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[andreidelait]

For me Kronos is my first Workstation and is a bit difficult to understand how to manage these things. Ialso have the Pa800 and is a such a different mode to use it.

Ok back to our topic. I didn't buy any additional Library yet. I also upgraded the RAM to 3 Gb. The main think is I like to have all loaded in Kronos but I realised is also an easy way to have different sessions for different projects. So I load them form Disk Mode when I need them because the loading time is just amazing (on PA serries i have to wait 5 mins to load 2 Mb of sample data, in Kronos I can load 1 GB in ~ 40 sec). So when I have to go to a gig i just check my playlist and I load just what I need for the Kronos. For me is easy with the RAM because I have just one program using user samples (300 Mb). That's the reason why upgraded the RAM because I like to load all of them for now but I'm also working to new sample sets and I think in the future I'll need to unload some EXi's to figure it out. So far for me this is the way, just load what you need for a specific project. The main problem is when you play live when you have a gig and you have to fit all your Patches in, but please they are 3 GB.
When you are home or in the studio you can load and unload whatever you want.

Good Luck with your music.