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michelkeijzers Approved Merchant
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 9113 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:45 am Post subject: PCG Tools trust |
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I hope you don't mind I create a separate thread for this issue but I would like to have reactions (actually confirmations) from users of PCG Tools.
When installing the application, I think everybody gets the warning that the publisher cannot be verified and to select to continue with the installation.
It seems some people do not trust the application and therefor do not install the application, which is a pity (for them and for my time spending programming it).
So I would very much appreciate if you can answer the following
questions:
1) Did you get this message about an anverified publisher?
2) Did you continue and install the application?
3) Have you noticed any problems (e.g. spyware/virus) etc?
Thank you in advance,
Michel
Background:
The reason for this is that I can link to this thread to show the application is safe.
There is a solution, shown in the following link:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1427768/get-rid-of-publisher-unverified-warnings-in-windows-for-executables
However, to buy such a certificate costs 400 dollars a year (and that is way much more than I have received by donations), so I cannot afford this. _________________
Developer of the free PCG file managing application for most Korg workstations: PCG Tools, see https://www.kronoshaven.com/pcgtools/ |
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robbie50 Senior Member
Joined: 06 Sep 2008 Posts: 345 Location: Holland
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:41 pm Post subject: So I would very much appreciate if you can answer the follow |
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1.No
2.Yes, works perfect!!
3.No, no virus or spyware!!
rob |
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cello Platinum Member
Joined: 11 Jun 2009 Posts: 2152 Location: Glasgow, UK
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No issues at all _________________ Plugged in: Fantom 8, Jupiter-X, Jupiter 80, System-8, JD-XA, V-Synth GTv2, FA-06, SE-02, JU-06A, TR-09, VT-4, Go:Livecast, Rubix44, Shure SM7b, Push2, Ableton 11 Suite, Sibelius, KRK Rokit 5, |
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ldascanio Full Member
Joined: 29 Oct 2005 Posts: 169 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: So I would very much appreciate if you can answer the fo |
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1. I don't remember really.
2. Yes. No problem at all with the program
3. No issues here nor alerts with the antivirus installed. As far as I could see it's totally safe.
Rgds. _________________ Leo
OASYS 88 #000312
KRONOS 61 #003946
KORG Z1, ROLAND PK-5 |
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McHale Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 2487 Location: B.F.E.
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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I haven't been able to install the 1.x version yet as I've been out of town on business. When I return I'll give it a shot and report back.
-Mc _________________ Current Korg Gear: KRONOS 88 (4GB), M50-73 (PS mod), RADIAS-73, Electribe MX, Triton Pro (MOSS, SCSI, CF, 64MB RAM), SQ-64, DVP-1, MEX-8000, MR-1, KAOSSilator, nanoKey, nanoKontrol, 3x nanoPad 2, 3x DS1H, 7x PS1, FC7 (yes Korg, NOT Yamaha). |
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Ksynth Platinum Member
Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Posts: 1225 Location: Northern California, USA
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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1) Did you get this message about an unverified publisher?
No
2) Did you continue and install the application?
Yes
3) Have you noticed any problems (e.g. spyware/virus) etc?
No
Thanks Michel |
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Francois Approved Merchant
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 4854 Location: Northants - UK
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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It would be unreasonable to ask you to have your app certified. Those who cannot trust that it will not harm their computers simply miss on a great utility. Their loss ! |
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michelkeijzers Approved Merchant
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 9113 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for all reactions so far (but please reply if you haven't already). _________________
Developer of the free PCG file managing application for most Korg workstations: PCG Tools, see https://www.kronoshaven.com/pcgtools/ |
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michelkeijzers Approved Merchant
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 9113 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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Francois wrote: | It would be unreasonable to ask you to have your app certified. Those who cannot trust that it will not harm their computers simply miss on a great utility. Their loss ! |
I know, but I can imagine that if you get a message that an app might be harmfull/untrusted one might think twice before installing it.
But it seems to be a generic message that everybody gets unless 400$ is paid for a real certificate. _________________
Developer of the free PCG file managing application for most Korg workstations: PCG Tools, see https://www.kronoshaven.com/pcgtools/ |
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AdDeRoo Platinum Member
Joined: 20 May 2009 Posts: 524 Location: Northern Italy
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Michel, same as above
1) Did you get this message about an unverified publisher?
No
2) Did you continue and install the application?
Yes
3) Have you noticed any problems (e.g. spyware/virus) etc?
No
I am very happy with it and all your efforts. Thanks! _________________ Ad
Current gear : Korg Kronos 88 (SN 0979) / Nektar LX88+ / Korg PA2X / Kurzweil K2500R / Korg Nanopad2 / Neo Ventilator / Akai EWI USB / Cantabile / Reaper / Cakewalk / Reason / way too many VST's |
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mathieumaes Senior Member
Joined: 10 Dec 2011 Posts: 430
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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I think I have an explanation, Michel.
You're using "ClickOnce" deployment, which is a recent platform to distribute applications, similar to those classic "installshield wizards".
ClickOnce has many good features, but the downside is that Microsoft forces you to sign the package with a certificate. Visual Studio creates a selfsigned certificate which allows you to deploy using ClickOnce, but most computers will give a warning.
To avoid the warning, you have to buy a application certificate which is signed by a "Certificate authority", such as Verisign.
Check this: http://www.symantec.com/verisign/code-signing/microsoft-authenticode
The code signing certificate isn't cheap, and it's my oppinion that MS went too far by "forcing" this into ClickOnce. This really is a big cost for hobby programmers like you and me.
The other solution is to use the old platform for deployment by creating a Setup project and using the classic wizard for installing PCG Tools. _________________ Old gig setup: Yamaha S90, Roland Fantom XR, Hammond XM-1, M-Audio Axiom 61
2011 gig setup: Korg Kronos 88 |
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michelkeijzers Approved Merchant
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 9113 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Yes Mathieu, you are right ... in the link such a certificate is mentioned and it costs $400 per year of usage for me, so that is unaffordable for me (at least for this hobby project).
The reason I selected ClickOnce is to easily be able to convert it to a downloadable and automatically updatable application when I would put it online eventually and it automatically can install .NET Framework 4.
However, someone is checking out WiX which is a MS/Open source project that can create MSI installs.
But to be frankly, I want rather to update /add features instead of all these overhead items, allthough I know they are necessary. _________________
Developer of the free PCG file managing application for most Korg workstations: PCG Tools, see https://www.kronoshaven.com/pcgtools/ |
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mathieumaes Senior Member
Joined: 10 Dec 2011 Posts: 430
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Both those features - Installation from a website and automatically checking for updates - don't work without a "real" certificate. _________________ Old gig setup: Yamaha S90, Roland Fantom XR, Hammond XM-1, M-Audio Axiom 61
2011 gig setup: Korg Kronos 88 |
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michelkeijzers Approved Merchant
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 9113 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Yes I know but I don't know ifi those features can be performed with a non clickonce installation. _________________
Developer of the free PCG file managing application for most Korg workstations: PCG Tools, see https://www.kronoshaven.com/pcgtools/ |
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keyplayer14 Full Member
Joined: 20 May 2011 Posts: 160 Location: Exeter
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Absolutely no problems !
A great and highly useful little app, very much appreciated! _________________ Korg Kronos 88, Trinity Plus, Wavestation SR, X5D, M1
Roland RD 700, V-Synth GT, Jupiter 80, JV 1080
Akai MPD32, Cubase 5, NI Komplete, Spectrasonics Omnisphere, Stylus RMX |
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