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miden · Last edited by miden on Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:44 am; edited 3 times in total

DISK MODE - Save Seq NOT correctly saving patch data, in fact it does NOT save it at all...

Please refer to this thread for the background: http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=472496#472496

EDITED TO REFLECT THE CHANGE IN THREAD - NOT A BUG

Sina172 · Platinum Member Joined: 29 May 2007 Posts: 1194

QuiRobinez · Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:34 pm Post subject:

Sina, i think you are overreacting, this is just one post from someone that doesn't understand how to work with midi files on the kronos.

This isn't a bug. The karma bug is there in 1.6. The loading multiple files too. The scrolling bug is only when you scroll large files on a thumb drive and that has been a bug since 1.0

miden · Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:42 pm Post subject:

QuiRobinez · Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:02 pm Post subject:

miden · Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:11 pm Post subject:

Yes as I posted in the referred thread...by going to
1.TRACK EDIT
2.SELECT A TRACK
3.DROP-DOWN MENU
4.MIDI EVENT EDIT
5.SET EVENT FILTER
6.DELETE PROGRAM CHANGE
7. EXIT BACK TO MAIN PAGE
8.LOAD NEW PATCH
9.SAVE SEQ

Wow, what a streamlined and efficient way of doing things....now multiply THAT by the number of tracks being used in the midi....up to 16 times that operation needs to be done and that's BEFORE you really start editing.....

jimknopf · Platinum Member Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374

miden,
this is standard midi software behavior: a later program change overrides the original patch settings. So the remedy is to delete the disturbing program change, not to put another patch definition before it at the start of a track.
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Cpilot · Senior Member Joined: 05 Oct 2011 Posts: 427

Well, I've got a funny patch change. I have two midi files with the same layout. Only thing different is the note events. They both have a piano on track 10. When I load them into the sequencer and set GM initialize, the Kronos gets the first one correct but the for the second one, the Kronos changes the piano to drums even though they both have the same program change at the start of the track. Sounds weird until I change it back to piano in the sequencer.

Bryan

Shakil · Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:43 am Post subject:

miden · Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:17 am Post subject:

Yeah thanks Shakil,

No I do not use GM at all...I have not done so for about 11 -12 years...I always use the upper sound banks of the synths Smile

so none of my files have GM, GS or XG reset strings. Nor is it automatically saved with them either.

All I need do in Sonar is delete the patch data in the track info view (that's the one between the Inspector strip and the tracks view..this will remove all the patches....but if I have to do that, I might as well just do all the editing (apart from velocities and drum notes) on the Kronos...

See I believe the Kronos (well Korg US/Japan really as it applies to their sequencer, not Italy which uses a different sequencer) should make it the same as all other sequencers in that when a patch is laoded to a file and then saved, it should AUTOMATICALLY overwrite the midi header bar patch data...one should not have to manually delete this data first...this is how sequencers were way back in the early 90's. That was the sort of thing one had to do then as they were still very primitive....

Anyway thanks for the tip on a shorter way of doing it Smile

it is appreciated.

Shakil · Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:38 am Post subject:

miden · Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:48 am Post subject:

no there aren't any that do it Smile

But there are those that run batch operations to remove certain data and meta-data from midis...

I just run one of those to remove all CC 0/CC 32 and Patch# data...I set it to ONLY that data...all that remains is notes and controllers Smile

I also do not have patch data embedded in tracks either...
The only data I have in tracks is note and controller data....it's all good m8, I have come to terms with this is how the Korg Sequencer (Korg Japan) works and I have now developed a work-flow...

It is academic anyway as the Korgs don't load insert efx with the patch anyway (in Sequencer mode) so even if I chose a patch in Soanr I would probably have to change it once at the Kronos in any case...so I might as well handle the file only once....