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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:56 pm Post subject: SW1/2 turning off/on programs in a combination?
Hopefully this is a quick question that someone can answer for me.. or at least point me in the direction of the solution...
Is there a way to set up the SW1/2 switches so that they switch between two separate programs, within a combination? I want to create a combination that is made up of two layered programs, an organ and a clavinet , and I would like to have the following:
Default - organ
SW1 - same organ plus layered clavinet
SW2 - just the clavinet
I think that this should be possible and perhaps relatively easy, just not sure how to go about doing so... ??!!??
What you describe is a feature certainly missing, as long as the switches should affect only newly played notes, and not fade out/in already sounding notes.
But there is a workaround providing at least the latter: Route the clavinet (and other patches) through an expander/gate as IFX and set thershold to maximum, in order to have no sound at all when playing notes, as long as the wet/dry is set to 100% wet.
Now, you can set wet/dry either to "dry" and AMS to SW1 with intensity 100, or to "wet" and AMS-intensity -100. Et voila, SW1 switches the sound of the clavi on and off. If you need some other combinations, like "Timbre 3 only if SW1 AND SW2 are pressed", you can use the AMS mixer for that. With an AMS mixer, you can also apply some "smoothing", i.e. if you press the switch, the sound fades in and out over a certain time instead of abrupt switching.
Jens, that's a very creative work around.. so basically I put a gate on both programs, and you control the 100% open/closed of the the gate with the SW's..
The thing I didn't mention (or think of) when I first posted this note, is the fact that I use the SW's for C/V and Percussion on/off with my organ programs.. So I expect that I should probably keep that and assign different buttons.. (the SW's are just so nice and convenient)..
Again thanks.. very creative.. if there are any other ideas to consider I would appreciate them as well.. Thanks. Craig _________________ Craig MacDonald
If the switches are already occupied, the simplest way would be to use the Vector Volume Control, I think. Just assign the organ to e.g. -Y and the Clavi to +Y, set the center volume for both to 100% (or whatever you like), and you can blend from "organ only" over "layer" to "clavi only" within 1 inch movement of the vector joystick.
Why not use the Timbre track switches on the control panel?
If you set up three programs on channel 1 and switch 2 and 3 off (mute) you will now have the organ by itself.
Now if you hit switch 2 you will have the organ and clavinet layered.
Hit switch 1 and 2, (mute) now you will have the clavinet by itself.
Or maybe I didn't understand the question.. _________________ Lou
That's of course also possible. Personally, I don't like these timbre switches for that purpose. The main reason is that switching between two sounds always requires two "clicks" instead of one. The second is, that smooth transitions are not possible that way. And the third is that I like to have the control section set to "tone adjust" or "real time" in live performances. At least for organs, it's essential.
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:10 pm Post subject:
I use set list SST to do this. You'll use three combi that are identical
except the program/s you want playing are set to global channel
In the MIDI tab.
Or set them all to the same global channel and save the volume changes.
I use set list SST to do this. You'll use three combi that are identical
except the program/s you want playing are set to global channel
In the MIDI tab.
Or set them all to the same global channel and save the volume changes.
John
John thanks for the suggestion.. if I can't solve this any other way, I can do this...
I have been doing this on a couple of songs that require significant patch changes throught the tune, and I just create multiple combinations and load them side by side in the set list and I can easily move from one to another.. However, in this case I have to go from holding a high chord on the organ to doing a complicated two handed clavinet run from the bottom of the keyboard to the top, and I'm worried that I won't be able to get my hands from the keyboard to the display and back again fast enough to make it all happen.
I thought that using the SW's to do this, it would have my left hand closer to the bottom of the keyboard where it needs to be to start the run up.
Why not change the Set List entry via a footswitch?
You can select Set List entries via midi bank/patch select over the control channel...
I may try this as well.. but the problem is that while I can advance from one combo to another via the foot switch within a setlist to perform this one song I might require 8-10 different combinations to move through as I go through different part of the song..
So I haven't yet determined what is the easiest way to do this yet.
Thanks for all the suggestions..
Craig _________________ Craig MacDonald
Joined: 31 May 2007 Posts: 818 Location: Mtl, Canada
Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 6:08 am Post subject:
Hooch wrote:
I use set list SST to do this. You'll use three combi that are identical
except the program/s you want playing are set to global channel
In the MIDI tab.
Or set them all to the same global channel and save the volume changes.
John
My thought exactly. I don't see the point of re-inventing the wheel. IMHO this is for stuff like this set list feature is so convenient.
All great ideas, obviously more than one way to skin a cat here.. I will try a couple of these ways and see which works best in the live setting.. again thanks.. !! Great video on the Karma Combi layer switching Lou thanks for posting that. That is effectively what I want to do, my only concern is getting my hands to and from the Karma switches to the keyboard in one beat.
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