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[karlo1w]

Hi guys,

I am a new entry....i downloaded some PCG from the download area of this forum...but I have some problems...for example i 've tried to load on my TEX 88 the karma voice written for extreme...but they sounds very very strange....my doubt is that combi sounds strange because they find wrong programs from the bank of the program....some solutions???

I am lookin for a very good strings sound: some suggestions about?

Tnx a lot

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Triton extreme 88

[michelkeijzers]

Yes if you only load a combi, the the programs that combi refers to are probably not the correct programs.

To solve this:
- Load programs too (on the locations refered to in the combi)
- Load the programs to your prefered locations and change the combi references (tedious job for multiple combis).
- Use PCG Tools and copy the combis (programs can be pasted before or after and the combi will automatically change its references). Even better: if the programs already exist they will not be pasted but the combi will use those programs as references.
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Developer of the free PCG file managing application for most Korg workstations: PCG Tools, see http://pcgtools.mkspace.nl

[karlo1w]

Hello,

- Do I find programs in the same file i downloaded for combi?
- exactly what is PCG tool?

Tnx for support
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Triton extreme 88

[michelkeijzers]

It depends if the programs are in the same file as the combis.
If the combis make use of programs from the factory default then it is not necessary. However, mostly a complete PCG file is used for combis (meaning combi banks and all related program banks). When creating a PCG file you can select what should be saved.

I suggest you click on the link in my signature. When you follow that at about the 10th line is a manual for PCG Tools.

In one chapter the relation of program/combis and banks are explained (this is not related to PCG Tools).

PCG Tools is a free app I created for managing PCG files, including some other features.
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Developer of the free PCG file managing application for most Korg workstations: PCG Tools, see http://pcgtools.mkspace.nl

[billbaker]

When you load .pcg to get combis you also need to load the supporting programs in the order that the person who uploaded them had theirs - in those cases you'd need to do a full download for the combis to sound right.

Do you have the Triton EX's factory programs still? IMO the strings are pretty good for a variety of things - especially in combinations - so maybe you could be more specific about the qualities you're looking for in "good strings". I don't think you'll be able to replace solo strings (tho the cello voices come close) but the ensemble strings based on the Orchestral ROM are quite good.

If you aren't satisfied with those check the download section here for the triton classic. Also get the .pcg for the Orchestral EXB's and see what's there that may not have been installed on the EX.

You can also do what I call a wave substitution edit - get a string whose parameters (playing response, FX ambiance) you like and then go in under the OSC edit page and substitute other string sample waves - also remember that there are string waves (and analog synth "string" waves) in several places in the wave library. [BTW: this technique works for any genre sound.]

PCGTools is a librarian program that will greatly speed your search and audition process.


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billbaker

Triton Extreme 88, Triton Classic Pro, Trinity V3 Pro
+E-mu, Alesis, Korg, Kawai, Yamaha, Line-6, TC Elecronics, Behringer, Lexicon...

[karlo1w]

Tnx very much...very good ideas!!!...Iwill try all them!!!!....
.....I hope to find some strings sound i like because it is the only defect i've found in TEX...the factory strings sounds very" Paddous" and they lack in naturality and aggressive mood in my opinion...in programs there are Marcato strings orchestra and the Violin legato that is not bad but I would like more brilliant sounds...for example I like very much the strings used by dimmu borgir in Mourning Palace intro (pheraps a Korg x5 program)....that kind of strings were not natural but very very bright and powerful!!!...any idea to recreate them?...

Bye

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Triton extreme 88

[billbaker]

Given your tastes I think you need to work with Insert FX to emphasize the characteristics you want.

Suggestions: Look at bumping up the volume with compression (output ~40). Use the Exciter to add a higher overtone for brightness. Add a very slight (1-3 cents +) detune. Change to add a short room setting (reverb) with added emphasis in the high end. Add 7 band EQ and use velocity as a modulator to add mid/high frequencies as you play harder. There are as many solutions as there are FX.

One technique I've used both studio and live is to have an acoustic player (in my case mostly brass or sax) layered over my emulations of the same instrument. One "real" instrument really enhances the sound of my synthesized tones - the result is bigger than either would be alone. You can come close to this technique by layering as well.

Remember that most of your string programs are 2 osc -- check 'em out and change one layer to be a more solo (aggressive) sound on top of the more "paddous" sounds to give them a bit of bite. Or in a combination pair up the marcato or edgier cello sounds with the ensembles you thing sound "un-real" and see how that improves the sound.


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billbaker

Triton Extreme 88, Triton Classic Pro, Trinity V3 Pro
+E-mu, Alesis, Korg, Kawai, Yamaha, Line-6, TC Elecronics, Behringer, Lexicon...

[karlo1w]

wow!!!!!....as soon as i return my home i will try this "suggestions-Fx"!!!!!Tnx very much...you are the first that reply with a concrete example about "how to make this"!.., one questions: you talk about an "acousti player"....pheraps you mean acoustic "layer" refering to samples of real instrument ...is that???...where could i find real acoustic layer for layering with synthesized tones of TEX?..
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Triton extreme 88

[billbaker]

No I meant acoustic player -- we have (my band) a couple of guys who sit in on sax and trumpet now and then. When I play my synth ensemble emulation voices (like brass hits or big band) with that one layer of "real" on top it sounds way better than the synth alone and much larger than we could hire for - a whole brass section, not just two guys.

But you can approach that - yes with a layer - if you have as good a solo voice as you can generate layered on top of the ensemble. In many cases you just can't change the characteristics of the sample enough to emphasize the element you need to highlight. The attack just won't get any crisper or more natural no matter how you tweak. But when you layer the desired characteristics found in a solo sound on top of the less distinctive (ensemble) voice it gives its flavor to the ensemble -- think mustard on bread.

You might also use this approach on strings with a complimentary rather than identical instrument. If the attack is not distinct enough add a chiffy flute to improve it. Brass in various flavors can really fill out string sounds, for wide sounds try adding french horns. Use an analog synth string to add depth.



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billbaker

Triton Extreme 88, Triton Classic Pro, Trinity V3 Pro
+E-mu, Alesis, Korg, Kawai, Yamaha, Line-6, TC Elecronics, Behringer, Lexicon...

[michelkeijzers]