CopyRights and Sharing

SynthKeyWizard · Post by **SynthKeyWizard** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:23 pm

Finally, I'm sharing my work but not the samples as they are.

burningbusch · Post by **burningbusch** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:00 pm

SynthKeyWizard wrote:
burningbusch wrote:
SynthKeyWizard wrote: For example, all of my libraries I created a long time ago. But now, with OS2.0 I have a possibility to covert them to the new format "User Bank". I don't think it was a crime.

As for this, if you resample a Sound from Kontakt, Halion or if i get an Akai CD like ILIO and convert it to SF2 - this would be illegal.
Please explain the REMARKABLE similarity between your upright and the one in the Kontakt Piano Collection: 1st is Kontakt followed by your upright recorded from the Kronos.

NI vs. SynthKeyWizard

Busch.
These samples i received from my friend(like many other samples) in Halion format. He makes these files for personal use(he works at recording studio in Kiev, Ukraine), and I had to resample them, because he made them in wrong(old) format. Where from he get those samples - I don't know. But, he assured me that I am free to use them.

If I have violated copyright - please tell me, and i'll delete these libraries. But I just wanted to extend the sound palette of Kronos and to share my work with all of you. This work is quite difficult and time-consuming. So I would not like that it was lost. But if I have violated copyright - just notify me.

At the moment I have not ability to sample real instruments, thats why I have to use third-party samples. But when I have such an opportunity - I sure did not violate the copyright. For example, in the near future, I plan to invite my friend, and make record session with his acoustic and electric guitars to create new library for Kronos. This work is more difficult, but this brings even more satisfaction I'm not newbie in sampling, and this work is very pleasant for me. And if anybody have free samples - I'll glad to create library of them.

That is my opinion. If I'm wrong - correct me.

P.S. Sorry for my bad english.

Dmitry, I'm not going to be judge and jury here, others can decide that. In the first quote above you give the impression you created all of this content, and to that claim I was/am very suspicious, hence my calling you out with the comparison.

I understand that converting sample libraries into the Kronos can be time consuming. I've done a lot of that with various libraries that I own, for my own use. Do understand that creating the content in the first place is MUCH more time consuming and can envolve a great deal of expense, plus there is the additional aspect of ownership. The clavinet library I'm currently working on will take a minimum 40 hours, but that's nothing compared to what many larger libraries consume.

Busch.

SynthKeyWizard · Post by **SynthKeyWizard** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:32 pm

burningbusch wrote:Dmitry, I'm not going to be judge and jury here, others can decide that. In the first quote above you give the impression you created all of this content, and to that claim I was/am very suspicious, hence my calling you out with the comparison.

I never say that I recorded these samples myself. When i'll record my own samples and create library - i'll tell this, whel I share them.
Let me remind you:

SynthKeyWizard wrote:These samples i received from my friend(like many other samples) in Halion format. He makes these files for personal use(he works at recording studio in Kiev, Ukraine), and I had to resample them, because he made them in wrong(old) format. Where from he get those samples - I don't know. But, he assured me that I am free to use them.

If my friend lied to me - let me know. I don't make money using other people's labor. I just like to create good libraries for Kronos and share them. I don't sell my work. Please, don't accuse me for the crimes.

SynthKeyWizard · Post by **SynthKeyWizard** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:40 pm

If I violated the copyright - I'll delete all my libraries. No problem. Just let me know.

SynthKeyWizard · Post by **SynthKeyWizard** » Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:05 pm

I have a question.

If a want to sample my KORG SV1 Upright Piano and to make library of these samples - am I allowed to do this?

Can I share this library for free on korgforums?

In KORG manuals and licenses I didn't found any prohibitions. So I can assume that I can do this? Or am I wrong?

MarPabl · Post by **MarPabl** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:39 pm

SynthKeyWizard wrote:I have a question.

If a want to sample my KORG SV1 Upright Piano and to make library of these samples - am I allowed to do this?

Can I share this library for free on korgforums?

In KORG manuals and licenses I didn't found any prohibitions. So I can assume that I can do this? Or am I wrong?

After all this is also a product from Korg... and indeed I don't find anything regarding the usage of the samples.

MarPabl · Post by **MarPabl** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:46 pm

apex wrote:example: I'm told that you're NOT supposed to be able to resample the ROM of the motif boards... or the presets that are created using them.

does that make sense?

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By reading the documents provided with the file, there are no restrictions about the usage of those samples.

You can open the file with Awave Studio and get at least the individual samples back. In my experience, the Voices don't get correctly imported (the associations between elements and waveforms is a c**p), but you can extract the samples with the right loop points (therefore you get small files) and then you can finish the programming on the Kronos.

I think it's not easy for the creators of the samples to easily put restrictions regarding the usage of their samples. In this example, you're using a totally different synth engine to create new Programs, maybe with different effects, modulations and so on... Because of such complexities, we now see some samples providers are now encrypting their work instead of just putting legal restrictions on their samples. Just imagine if you were not able to create a song without paying extra royalties because of the samples you used

MarPabl · Post by **MarPabl** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:50 pm

burningbusch wrote:Please explain the REMARKABLE similarity between your upright and the one in the Kontakt Piano Collection: 1st is Kontakt followed by your upright recorded from the Kronos.

NI vs. SynthKeyWizard

Busch.

In this case, we're comparing two piano sounds... maybe from a legal point of view is not an easy comparison because those are, at the end, pianos and a good sampling of a piano will sound pretty similar (if not the same), provided you sampled the same (or very similar) piano.

With this case, the examples sounds like the same. Therefore, by just modifying the reverb of the Program, you get a different sound. On this case, how can you say it's the same piano?

Pianos sounds, well like pianos, so I don't think it's pretty easy to raise such arguments.

SynthKeyWizard · Post by **SynthKeyWizard** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:05 pm

My question still unanswered

MarPabl · Post by **MarPabl** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:18 pm

SynthKeyWizard wrote:My question still unanswered

Here you go:

Go ahead

Stevesan · Post by **Stevesan** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:35 pm

Dmitry,

I hope you do realize that your question cannot be answered in a way that you want. Noone here can give you the go ahead you wish (unless as a joke).

It is up to you to try to gather the information you need to come to a conclusion. I have aggregated some interesting information for you as a start:

http://www.artistshousemusic.org/videos ... +copyright

http://www.cratekings.com/how-girl-talk ... -lawsuits/

http://www.npr.org/2011/01/28/133306353 ... riminality

http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/bt ... /text.html

http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/bt ... /text.html

That'll keep you occupied for a while. And do remember that we have seen your talent. And we really hope you get back here with material to share that you're safe to say you own fully. And then we'll be more than happy to help you get that new SSD. Deal?