Sound Loading Was Incomplete: Some items not found Error Msg

marlo74 · Post by **marlo74** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:09 am

Hello,
On my PA3X when I tr to load individual sounds from other sets, i have been getting the following error "Sound Loading Was Incomplete: Some items not found". I can still load the whole set but not individual sounds. I have O.S 1.6. I dont recall having this problem with 1.11
is anyone else having this issue?

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:15 am

Do these SOUNDs have RAM samples associated with them?

marlo74 · Post by **marlo74** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:23 pm

Yes,
The sound itself is loading but not the RAM samples.
In fact, I did some more testing.to correct my initial posting. It turs out that for some sets, I am able to load the whole set and individual sounds with no problem. But for other sets . When I load the whole set, everything loads except the RAM samples and when I load individual sounds, the Samples are loading either and I am getting the "Sound Loading Was Incomplete: Some items not found" message. I know these sets are not locked and have loaded them in the past. So it must be something with some sets that is not compatible with the 1.6 O.S. but I am not sure

Rob Sherratt · Post by **Rob Sherratt** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:16 pm

@marlo74@

Yes you can load Sounds individually from within a SET file if they use factory samples only.

If the Sounds use user Multisamples, then those user Multisamples have to be loaded as well.

Regards,
Rob

marlo74 · Post by **marlo74** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:00 pm

Rob,
I am not sure if you understood my problem. Let me try to explain it a little more.

The problem I am having is that. When I try to load a sound that uses use user Multisamples, the PA3X is giving me the "Sound Loading Was Incomplete: Some items not found" message. The sound loads into the sound bank but not the Multisamples. Any idea why that is?

Rob Sherratt · Post by **Rob Sherratt** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:51 pm

@Marlo74@

Yes, I know the problem you face. You did not understand my answer.

When you load a complete SET file, then all User MultiSamples and Samples in the SET file are loaded to memory for you.

When you load an individual Sound, the act of just loading the Sound does not automatically load User MultiSamples and Samples for you. Instead you have to find the User MultiSamples and Samples the Sound wants to use and you have to load them manually yourself. This is HARD!!

A nice Librarian program would do this for you automatically, but I do not yet have the enablers I need from Korg to write this software.

In the meantime I recommend that you and other users do not attempt to load individual User Sounds that reference User MultiSamples and Samples. It's more trouble than it's worth. You will just have to be content with loading a complete SET file that someone has painstakingly and manually prepared for you using a complex procedure that few understand. It's a lot of work "hand crafting" SET files and it's not a service I can offer.

This situation is not good, and until Korg release some technical information to allow the creation of an automated Editor / Librarian program, there is nothing more I can say that will help you in this..

Regards,
Rob

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:52 pm

marlo74 wrote:Rob,
The problem I am having is that. When I try to load a sound that uses use user Multisamples, the PA3X is giving me the "Sound Loading Was Incomplete: Some items not found" message. The sound loads into the sound bank but not the Multisamples. Any idea why that is?

Let's have a look at principals of a sound container :
When you load a sound and you get the message "Sound Loading Was Incomplete: Some items not found" then
two things can really occur !
1) One or more multisamples assigned to any main oscillator of this sound is missing completely from PCG directory of Set.
2) Actually sound works fine BUT ... There is an older multisample assignment when you had edited that sound
which is not actually active (f.e. closed volume) maybe as a accidental remnant with ghost address since you
had deleted it before saving the whole set !

Pa3X OS has a better internal browser that checks up PCM container and surely reveals any discontinuing data compared
with previous PaSeries that will retain these issues without your knowledge .

Self proved that this set came from older PaSeries ...

Therefore you have to investigate all single sounds , edit them , assign not existing Ram multisample even if muted
assign with an existing Rom (even empty) and save back one by one these sounds in healthy state to recover your set !

Good luck and patience !

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:04 pm

Rob Sherratt wrote: When you load an individual Sound, the act of just loading the Sound does not automatically load User MultiSamples and Samples for you. Instead you have to find the User MultiSamples and Samples the Sound wants to use and you have to load them manually yourself.

Dear Friend Rod , we always write at the same time ...

But I have to totally disagree with your words with no intention to upset You !
Yes ... when you load even a single sound , all referent and existing multisamples & samples
will be loaded like a charm , (even compressed in Pa3X) , from Pa800 & further that I can confirm.
Of course under a healthy saving ALL.Set with all multisamples !

The only occasion in which you can loose your data while saving .ALL is with edited Factory data places where
a full resources backup is required !

I recommend that you and other users do not attempt to load individual User Sounds that reference User MultiSamples and Samples

Contrary I highly recommend older PaSeries SET users , to load individually User1-3 sounds groups to find out
relative to marlo74 issues , and recover their .SET in Pa3X , since you can't find them out loading the whole set.

fResH_ · Post by **fResH_** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:21 am

Rob, what are you saying man? I dont think u really understand this machine yet.

How can you then explain that I have done this in 6 years what marlo have done. And with succes.

I load sounds that contains multisamples/samples all the time from different sets to my own. with no issues.
When you load a sound, it automaticly take the multisample with it if there is space left on your ram.

You want korg to give you scripts for doing a program? thats great. but you dont even understand the keyboard yet and you want to make a program?

No one should read your post and belive that one, with respect but it just confuses people..

AntonySharmman 10+ on your post

Cheers

Rob Sherratt wrote:@Marlo74@

Yes, I know the problem you face. You did not understand my answer.

When you load a complete SET file, then all User MultiSamples and Samples in the SET file are loaded to memory for you.

When you load an individual Sound, the act of just loading the Sound does not automatically load User MultiSamples and Samples for you. Instead you have to find the User MultiSamples and Samples the Sound wants to use and you have to load them manually yourself. This is HARD!!

A nice Librarian program would do this for you automatically, but I do not yet have the enablers I need from Korg to write this software.

In the meantime I recommend that you and other users do not attempt to load individual User Sounds that reference User MultiSamples and Samples. It's more trouble than it's worth. You will just have to be content with loading a complete SET file that someone has painstakingly and manually prepared for you using a complex procedure that few understand. It's a lot of work "hand crafting" SET files and it's not a service I can offer.

This situation is not good, and until Korg release some technical information to allow the creation of an automated Editor / Librarian program, there is nothing more I can say that will help you in this..

Regards,
Rob

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:50 am

Matthew ... take it easy !!! Rob made a wrong estimation or something ...
Respect to Rob Sherratt who has offered a lot of his huge knowledge not only in this community
but also well known worldwide , older members are very aware of his contribution !
I just felt the need to write about it ...

marlo74 · Post by **marlo74** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:25 am

I want to thank everyone that answered to my post so quickly. You guys Rock. I found the root of the problem. It turned out that the sets I was trying to load were missing the Multi samples (.RAM) file. The PCMs were there but the multisamples were missing and therefore it was giving me the warning message.

Rob Sherratt · Post by **Rob Sherratt** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:37 am

Hi Anthony,

The problem that was encountered when I designed the Steinway and Irish Grand Pianos sounds for the Pa2x was this. It still occurs on the Pa2x:

Take any SET file containing User Sounds, User Multisamples and User Samples (i.e. the Multisamples must use User Samples, not factory samples).

The SET file loads fine as a complete file.

Then reset the keyboard and this time load individual SOUNDS, but do it in the reverse order from how they are listed in the SET file. In other words, load the last one first and so on until you have loaded all the Sounds and assigned them in reverse order to a User sound bank.

The incorrect Samples are then assigned to each Multisample. The Multisample assignment to each Sound is still correct, but the Samples are not correct.

Please could you check this on your Pa3x? I only have a Pa2x currently.

PS. If I'm wrong I'm wrong and that's that. I'm not interested in defending myself, only in checking whether this known problem from the past has been fixed or not.

Thanks,
Rob

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:15 pm

Rob that's why we're here to resolve and investigate any possible issue !

Since I own both 2-3X , I can assist in any issue , but I'll describe you two cases that both can read wrong multisamples !
1 - When you override an existing multisample with one recently created in same address without updating PCM container
then data base is wrong and when you recall a sound this way from a saved set it won't be loaded since Pa thinks
that is the same already loaded MS (unless you delete it and reload it).
2 - When you use the same samples to more than one multisamples this will cause MS data loss , since a sample can't be
assigned properly to more than one multisamples.

I frequently use the first method when changing a multisample's samples , importing new MS and overriding the older
in the same address without updating system , so Pa2 or 3X considers that this one is the older one but fortunately it maintains
newer MS samples addresses .
This method is time saving especially if one multisample is assigned with many sounds but you have to be extremely careful
and know exactly what you're doing , not to loose all MS assignments and destroy your set !

Probably something you made wrong of the above and your set is saved with false MS assignment !

Always talking about user resources , if you reset your Pa2-3X and open the proper saved Yourset.SET /open any User
sound bank , and you can load in any order you like any sound or DK and all will be loaded just fine , the same will be happened
when deleting all samples and multisamples , so do not worry at all !

All mentioned are for granted under my signature !!!

Hope this helps You
Greetings

Rob Sherratt · Post by **Rob Sherratt** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:43 pm

Hi Antony,

Many thanks, that explains it.

Yes, I have made this "mistake" when updating Samples in the PCM container. I have also in the past created many different Multisamples that use the same samples. It seems from what you are saying that this also explains the "Sound loading problem" that was the subject of much correspondence on the Pa2x forum in the past.

It is not just me who has made these "mistakes". There are many SET files "out there" where other sound designers have done Sample changes the same way. Also the Samples do not load correctly in some circumstances when Sounds are moved around, whereas everything does work OK when the complete SET file loads.

Now, knowing this new information means that when (hopefully) I am enabled to write the Editor / Librarian software, it is one of the data validity checks I can perform and fix automatically. The problem of several Multisamples using the same samples can be resolved by cloning the samples and renaming them with a post-pended digit, then changing the Multisample references accordingly. Anyway I will discuss it with you in private when I am underway with the software, and I'd be most grateful if you can be a primary tester.

BTW: People should never be afraid to "make a mistake" when sharing knowledge to try to help others. Always accept and be grateful - as I am - when someone (e.g. you, Antony) knows more about it than you. The fact that a few people post nasty remarks from time to time does not change the person that I am, nor does it concern me. It's more a reflection on the other person's character and state of mind than on mine I think.

Best regards,
Rob

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:30 pm

Rob Sherratt wrote:The problem of several Multisamples using the same samples can be resolved by cloning the samples and renaming them with a post-pended digit, then changing the Multisample references accordingly.

I always push software & hardware to their limits before I begin development , so I'm aware of every sys detail
in PaSeries I deal with , as I was aware of this "problem" since 4 years , that I take also advantage for my sophisticated
methods I use in my commercial resources , I was never asked to advice you , since I was not active in this forum because
of a members that provoked me those days , and as you really meant , mentor never looses only pure users within his absence !

Contrary I use always all forbidden rules I mentioned like some samples in more than 2 - 3 MS and other tricks since
I define the rules for my resources , besides BKP is the only allowed format , which is wisely the best option for
a developer to save his resources , saving an entire complex status untouched !