No Karma in recorded play-back external DAW

methusala · Post by **methusala** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:14 pm

Hi everyone,

This is something no doubt to do with the set-up in my Oasys ?

I record a factory pre-set with Karma ON to an external DAW (Cubase 6.5). I leave Karma ON during play-back. Fine. I turn Karma OFF--no recorded Karma in play-back. What need I do to get Karma in the play-back each time?

Patrick

Mike Conway · Post by **Mike Conway** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:21 pm

Have you checked GLOBAL mode? On the MIDI page, see if the ENABLE KARMA TO MIDI OUT box is checked.

methusala · Post by **methusala** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:46 pm

Mike,

Thank you. Nice to hear from you. Hope you are in good form.

Yes, 'Enable KARMA Module to MIDI OUT' is checked (along with MIDI In, for what it's worth, as well as the Vector Joystick !).

It's very annoying this issue.

Often, as you will know, it's the KARMA sounds that drive the whole Combi and it would be nice to be able to play it all back independantly of the Oasys having recorded it on an external DAW without having to make sure the KARMA switch is ON every time during a play-back. I save the song on the DAW but have to enable KARMA on play-back to hear it.

I record staight from the factory pre-set in Combi mode. You don't suppose it's a CUBASE thing in which case I'm probably lost!

Where next ?

Patrick

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:46 pm

I'm pretty sure your Oasys needs to be set to "local on" for KARMA to be sent. In such a case, switch off Cubase's midi thru or echo setting.

methusala · Post by **methusala** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:20 pm

Many thanks, SanderXpander.

I will toggle with Local Control both On and OFF, and there is a setting in Cubase' MIDI Thru Active' which I'll have to test. I think the case is that when recording off the O, I need Local Control ON but should I un-check the MIDI Thru, and then when playing back, the Local Control should be Off ?

Another thing which is related possibly:-

When I record a non-Karma piece, I again have to have the actual track in the Oasys, from which I recorded on my external DAW, to be selected to get any play-back sound at all, and if, for example, I select another track from the O, the play-back will be the same notes but sounding from that other track. I think I can't be far away from the solution.

Patrick

Mike Conway · Post by **Mike Conway** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:32 pm

Is your DAW set to multi-record? While you are playing a sound on channel 1, KARMA usually transmits on up to 4 other channels, such as 2, 3, 4 and 5.

methusala · Post by **methusala** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:56 pm

Mike,

I'll have to search for multi-record function in Cubase.

I'm assuming from your reply that if KARMA happens to be using more that 1 channel, I'll have to open enough channels to cover them all. But in my ignorance, how would that effect the play-back I'm experiencing of receiving no KARMA at all ? If KARMA was on one channel, I would expect to hear that channel at least--is that right?

Patrick

Mike Conway · Post by **Mike Conway** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:01 pm

What Combi are you trying to record?

methusala · Post by **methusala** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:10 pm

Mike,

2 programmes really but independantly of each other.

The first is 'Electric Gate' Combi User Bank 6-(one from Stephen Kay's Catalsyt 1 which I've loaded onto this Bank). This track will only play back in my external DAW when I have it open in the O. The KARMA sounds that are recorded are the ones available when you open the track and play straight away without any changes. This situation would arise in any track which opens with KARMA.

The second is 'Scat Voices' which is Prog INT Bank 7 with no KARMA switched on. This is the track that the external DAW (Cubase) will only play after recoding on play back when, as above, the track is opened in the Oasys. It seems the sound still will not come through even with LOCAL CONTROL ON or OFF. I assume I must have recorded the vocal with this ON otherwise the O's internal sound generator would not work ?

Patrick

Mike Conway · Post by **Mike Conway** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:33 am

I don't have the Calalyst combis, but I tried recording Scat Voices (with KARMA on, then off) to an external sequencer and it played back fine. I don't have Cubase, so I'm not sure what is happening with your recordings.

methusala · Post by **methusala** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:50 am

Mike,

When recording Scat Voices (Prog INT A 007) with KARMA on, what settings did you have on the GLOBAL> MIDI page under MIDI Routing Setup regarding KARMA External Routing and the other settings there? I have the following:-

MIDI Channel 01
Local Control On checked
Convert Position Pre MIDI
Note Receive All
MIDI Clock Internal
Receive Ext Realtime Controls checked
Enable KARMA Module to MIDI Out checked
Enable MIDI In to KARMA Module unchecked
MIDI Filter-everything checked

(c) Does the drop-down menu under the MIDI tab at the very top right of the same page have any bearing? Mine is set under Setup KARMA External MIDI Routing to send the output of KARMA to external sequencer which is correct.

Regards,
Patrick

Mike Conway · Post by **Mike Conway** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:12 pm

Every setting I have is identical to what you have. I recorded to an old Yamaha sequencer, which I had to set to an OMNI setting. You probably need to doublecheck the Cubase settings.

methusala · Post by **methusala** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:39 pm

Many thanks once more. I'll trawl through the Cubase settings.

In passing, I went onto the Stephen Kay's KARMA-LAB web site and onto the WIKI page in particular. I've found a long article you might also be interested to follow. It is under 'KARMA 2 Recording KARMA output to extrernal sequencers.' I'm uncertain if I need to try the methods there if your set up is identical to mine as our same setups indicate the solution could be found within my DAW itself. Anyway, which method in the WIKI ought I to try if all else fails?

Regards,
Patrick

methusala · Post by **methusala** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:56 pm

Well Mike,

I believe I have an answer.

Up to now I've been recording the O sounds in Cubase as MIDI. When I record in Audio, play back is independant of the O. I shall go away and hibernate for a while. Thank you for looking at the thread.

KEEP well. See you soon.

Patrick

apex · Post by **apex** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:07 pm

methusala wrote:Well Mike,

I believe I have an answer.

Up to now I've been recording the O sounds in Cubase as MIDI. When I record in Audio, play back is independant of the O. I shall go away and hibernate for a while. Thank you for looking at the thread.

KEEP well. See you soon.

Patrick

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