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djcactus · Senior Member Joined: 03 Dec 2011 Posts: 375

I feel like the KK's existence has a lot to do with the wants from people who tested out the korg sv-1. People liked the set up but wanted synth sounds, in my experience i guess im trying to say that its a synth thats inbetween the sv-1 and the radias. By all means call me out if im wrong, this is entirely speculation.
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jimknopf · Platinum Member Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374

Of course he means a second filter for one and the same timbre.
A second filter is very useful as envelope for more flexible kinds of modulation.

Else I wouldn't agree that the Waldorf rocket sounds "better" than both Korgs. In fact I like the Kingkorg sound a lot more than that of the Rocket, not because it's bad (in fact it has a lot of raw power), but because I don't get those smooth different filter sounds from it which I like so much from the KK.
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SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

I don't understand how a second filter would work as modulation source, but many vintage synths that the KK tries to emulate have a non resonant HPF in addition to a resonant LPF. Admittedly you can KINDA get there using the EQ but certainly a dedicated second filter would give more sound shaping possibilities. Personally the main issues I've run into when emulating Juno and JX sounds specifically have been the lack of a dedicated LFO delay parameter and the limited chorus effect. The PolySix chorus in my Kronos sounds a whole lot better for that kind of stuff. The Junos and JXs also had a dedicated non resonant HPF by the way.

jimknopf · Platinum Member Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374

All advanced modern synths (Access Virus, many software synths) have a second filter (or more), for many purposes. Examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqbplI6V7M8

A second filter also allows you to let modulation targets run through an envelope, as opposed to the regular cycle of an LFO. For example, if I want the resonance amount not to modulate cycling (LFO), but running through a typical ADSR curve which is independant of the first filter, I can use the second filter for that.

A second filter would be an enourmous improvement for the flexibility of the Kingkorg.
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SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

You mean an extra independent ADSR then, not a filter? I agree there, as it could also work as an LFO delay.

jimknopf · Platinum Member Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374

Yes, for modulation I was speaking of a second envelope, as we know it from the filter ADSR envelope. Concerning the other options (in the video), I mean a second filter itself, to combine filter variations.

I should have separated both more clearly to avoid confusion. And it would be great if the KK had both.
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