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laandodeman Senior Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:55 am Post subject: |
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The Mp3 sounds promising. The PCG link doesn't work. _________________ www.silhouetteband.nl |
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enigmahack Approved Merchant
Joined: 04 Aug 2009 Posts: 727 Location: Moncton, NB, CANADA (Eh?)
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:29 am Post subject: |
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laandodeman wrote: | The Mp3 sounds promising. The PCG link doesn't work. |
It does, but you need to copy and paste the link into your browser. The ( seems to break the URL string and adding the URL code manually breaks the entire post.
Try that instead though to get the file.
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I just went back and renamed the file. Apparently phpBB doesn't like making links work that contain a ( or a ) in the URL. _________________ Korg Kronos 88 2, Korg Kronos 73, Kurzweil K2600S
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jimknopf Platinum Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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Just saw your post: I will try the sound tomorrow and then come back here again.
Thanks a lot for doing it so fast! _________________ Kronos 73 - Moog Voyager RME - Moog LP TE - Behringer Model D - Prophet 6 - Roland Jupiter Xm - Rhodes Stage 73 Mk I - Elektron Analog Rytm MkII - Roland TR-6s - Cubase 12 Pro + Groove Agent 5 |
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Derek Cook Approved Merchant
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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A Moog sound equivalent to the sound used in Pink Floyd's Shine On You crazy Diamond in AL1?
I have something I like in the Kronos, but my Nord G2 patch of the same still has the edge over what I have achieved in AL1 so far,. The Nord G2 patch I have sounds more "organic". So maybe somebody more familiar with AL1 might do better, and I'd love to study it. _________________ Derek Cook - Java Developer
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enigmahack Approved Merchant
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Derek Cook wrote: | A Moog sound equivalent to the sound used in Pink Floyd's Shine On You crazy Diamond in AL1? |
I'll have to take a look but I'll see what I can do. I'm always down for a challenge.
Why don't you show me what you have so far first and I can use it as a basis so if I get something closer that you like, it would be easier to show you how I got there. _________________ Korg Kronos 88 2, Korg Kronos 73, Kurzweil K2600S
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Derek Cook Approved Merchant
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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enigmahack wrote: | Derek Cook wrote: | A Moog sound equivalent to the sound used in Pink Floyd's Shine On You crazy Diamond in AL1? |
I'll have to take a look but I'll see what I can do. I'm always down for a challenge.
Why don't you show me what you have so far first and I can use it as a basis so if I get something closer that you like, it would be easier to show you how I got there. |
Good idea. I've shut down for the night, but I'll create a PCG file tomorrow with my creation. I'll do an MP3 of the Nord sound as well for reference. _________________ Derek Cook - Java Developer
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jeebustrain Platinum Member
Joined: 24 Jan 2011 Posts: 1284 Location: In a Roger Dean painting
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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enigmahack wrote: | jeebustrain wrote: | Hi Enigma - nice to see you over here from the Rudess forums. |
Dude... How have things been?
I've finally joined the "dark side" haha (Coming from Kurzweil to Korg... Finally making the switch!) |
Things have been pretty good. You made the right choice with the Kronos. It's an absolute beast and has become indispensable to me live in the 3 years I've had mine. _________________ ::: Korg Kronos 88 ::: Alesis Fusion 8HD ::: Kurzweil PC361 ::: Roland V-Synth ::: DSI Prophet 12 ::: DSI OB-6 ::: Korg Prophecy ::: Moog Micromoog ::: Yamaha CP-30 ::: Alesis Andromeda ::: Moog Sub37 ::: Sequential Prophet 600 ::: Korg MS2000BR ::: GSI Burn :::
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Bertotti Platinum Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Dan posted some steps for Moog in a thread a long while ago. I can not remember the name of the thread but I think I copied his post to a doc. i will check if you want. |
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jimknopf Platinum Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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Just tested the Rudess Sound, enigmahack, and am really impressed: well done!
It still seems to sound slightly more fat and warm through the (low quality) Youtube video, but that`s only a matter of tweaking around with the filter settings and Guitar amp modelling.
Great job, thank you very much for that pcg! _________________ Kronos 73 - Moog Voyager RME - Moog LP TE - Behringer Model D - Prophet 6 - Roland Jupiter Xm - Rhodes Stage 73 Mk I - Elektron Analog Rytm MkII - Roland TR-6s - Cubase 12 Pro + Groove Agent 5 |
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mihmix
Joined: 30 Jul 2012 Posts: 25 Location: Russia
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:55 pm Post subject: scott kinsey sound |
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Hi enigmahack!
Thank you for your great job!!!
Could you make sounds like the scott kinsey short solo here (at 5:00):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SYe9gktEVY#t=300
Thanks!!! |
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enigmahack Approved Merchant
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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jimknopf wrote: | Just tested the Rudess Sound, enigmahack, and am really impressed: well done!
It still seems to sound slightly more fat and warm through the (low quality) Youtube video, but that`s only a matter of tweaking around with the filter settings and Guitar amp modelling.
Great job, thank you very much for that pcg! |
Thanks Jim, I appreciate the feedback.
I'm a member of JR's Online Conservatory where he has clips of songs with the isolated keyboard sound, and I've done a direct A/B comparison with his versions he's posted there, and it's absolutely sonically identical until you start getting into the feedback layers... I'm working on that.
The only thing I can think of that would suggest a difference is that he's either altered the filters which happens; JR has multiple variations of his lead sound that he'll use on a song-by-song basis, or that the monitors he's using have shaped the sound as well and that's what you're hearing a reflection of in the video.
Something I did notice too is that the phasing is odd. When I listen to his clips, his lower notes sound slightly more distorted despite us having identical settings in terms of the distortion so I feel as though there's something weird going on.
I'm going to revisit the sound this evening to implement the rest, adjust the effects to more closely match the timing and settings of his delay, and add the additional layers of feedback through the vector joystick. Maybe there's some 'hidden' fatness that is bleeding through that I haven't implemented just yet which could explain some of the tonal difference at least when playing lower notes or using feedback.
I'm still working on it, but I'm going to get it. _________________ Korg Kronos 88 2, Korg Kronos 73, Kurzweil K2600S
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enigmahack Approved Merchant
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: scott kinsey sound |
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Sure, I'll take a look.
It sounds to me as though they're just using a slightly distorted wurly of some kind, but I'll take a look tonight when I'm done the JR lead and see what I can make of it. _________________ Korg Kronos 88 2, Korg Kronos 73, Kurzweil K2600S
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jimknopf Platinum Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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The solo is no Wurly, it's a Rhodes with phaser and possibly a wah in static position for the thin nasal EP sound. Scott Kinsey uses a lot of Joe Zawinul's Weather Report sounds.
The critical point is the overdrive: one of the few things a Kronos doesn't deliver are warm tube overdrive effects or amp models: overdrive always sounds too harsh and digital in the Kronos. This is a problem for overdriven synth leads as well, like in the Rudess sound (even Jordan can't do anything about that). _________________ Kronos 73 - Moog Voyager RME - Moog LP TE - Behringer Model D - Prophet 6 - Roland Jupiter Xm - Rhodes Stage 73 Mk I - Elektron Analog Rytm MkII - Roland TR-6s - Cubase 12 Pro + Groove Agent 5 |
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enigmahack Approved Merchant
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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jimknopf wrote: | The solo is no Wurly, it's a Rhodes with phaser and possibly a wah in static position for the thin nasal EP sound. Scott Kinsey uses a lot of Joe Zawinul's Weather Report sounds. |
Thanks Jim for keeping me honest. In my head I was thinking Rhodes but for whatever reason my brain insisted that wasn't it and it was a different key-based instrument. _________________ Korg Kronos 88 2, Korg Kronos 73, Kurzweil K2600S
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