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circuitghost Full Member
Joined: 25 Feb 2015 Posts: 196
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 9:18 pm Post subject: Is EM-1 the best option if you're going vintage Electribe? |
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Friends at the forum,
I've just acquired an ES-1 MKII. On purpose, I'm scanning the market for vintage Electribes - vintage meaning anything before EMX and ESX and nothing after. I like the dirt they produce, the filth they make.
So this little guy needs a synth friend, and I wonder if the EM-1 isn't the best option to go. Looks great in black also. It seems the most versatile, with both drums and synth in one package.
What do you say? Am I missing one of the classics here or am I pursuing the right instrument? |
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sohatyi Full Member
Joined: 20 Oct 2011 Posts: 208
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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I own an ER1 and an EA1... The ER1 has a feature no other electribe has, proper analog drum modeling (you can kind of do it on the EMX I'd you're willing to sacrifice your synth parts but it isn't quite as good). It's just a shame they didn't release a beefed up version with 16+ voices and decent snare. The delay is mental on that thing, can turn things into a crazy time warp of noise. Oh, and it has two inputs you can modulate and gate, which is an entire other dimension to the beast.
The EA1 on the other hand, just two voices and limited oscillator options make it (for me) a real damp squib. You can make it get down and dirty though, so it's not all bad. _________________ Korg: M3M, EMX2, EMX1 (x2), ESX1, ER1, EA1, R3, MicroKorg, MicroSampler, Micro X, KP2, KP3, KPMini 1&2, KO1&2, KP Pro
Roland: SP808, MC505, Handsonic 10, Fantom X6, RC505, CG8
Emu: Command Station MP7 (x3!), Proteus 2000, Planet Earth, Virtuoso, Planet Phatt, XBoard49
Novation: UltraNova, Nova
Yamaha: RM1X, CS2X, DX11, DX Reface, YC Reface
Other: Zoom R24, Quasimidi 309, Beat Thang, Akai MPC1000 and a couple of Omnichords |
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Buska Senior Member
Joined: 16 Sep 2014 Posts: 373
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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The em1 seems to have a pretty big following..
http://www.vintagesynth.com/korg/etm.php
Check out the user reviews at the bottom of the page _________________ Korg gear : EMX1SD, Volca Sample, DS-10
iOS: Gadget, iM1, iElectribe, iMs20, iPolysix, iKaossilator
History : Korg E2, Mini KP, Kaossilator Mini, R3 |
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thesigma Senior Member
Joined: 17 Nov 2011 Posts: 409
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 2:21 am Post subject: |
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I owned ( and still do) an es1 and ea1, always wanted and still do, the er1, I electribe just made me want the hardware more. I was never too interested in the em1, though I had a friend who got some good sounds out of it.
The ea1 is rather limited, no LFO, very basic only lpf, but it's good for bass lines, though in no way will it ever sound like a 303 if that's what you're after. You can get some good effects sounds out of it too, and it's still useful for sequencing better sounding synths.
I'd rather have an EMX1 than an EM1 and the price difference isn't going to be much nowadays. Of course this is just my opinion. |
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Buska Senior Member
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 2:34 am Post subject: |
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thesigma wrote: | I owned ( and still do) an es1 and ea1, always wanted and still do, the er1, I electribe just made me want the hardware more. I was never too interested in the em1, though I had a friend who got some good sounds out of it.
The ea1 is rather limited, no LFO, very basic only lpf, but it's good for bass lines, though in no way will it ever sound like a 303 if that's what you're after. You can get some good effects sounds out of it too, and it's still useful for sequencing better sounding synths.
I'd rather have an EMX1 than an EM1 and the price difference isn't going to be much nowadays. Of course this is just my opinion. |
Ahh is iElectribe the ER1 cloned ? thats dope if it is... _________________ Korg gear : EMX1SD, Volca Sample, DS-10
iOS: Gadget, iM1, iElectribe, iMs20, iPolysix, iKaossilator
History : Korg E2, Mini KP, Kaossilator Mini, R3 |
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apapdop Platinum Member
Joined: 27 Nov 2014 Posts: 713 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Buska wrote: | thesigma wrote: | I owned ( and still do) an es1 and ea1, always wanted and still do, the er1, I electribe just made me want the hardware more. I was never too interested in the em1, though I had a friend who got some good sounds out of it.
The ea1 is rather limited, no LFO, very basic only lpf, but it's good for bass lines, though in no way will it ever sound like a 303 if that's what you're after. You can get some good effects sounds out of it too, and it's still useful for sequencing better sounding synths.
I'd rather have an EMX1 than an EM1 and the price difference isn't going to be much nowadays. Of course this is just my opinion. |
Ahh is iElectribe the ER1 cloned ? thats dope if it is... |
The iElectribe for ipad is fantastic. Expands on the ER-1 and has a few tricks up it's sleeve that NONE of the hardware Electribes have. _________________ If I'm not listening to music, or if I'm not making music, then I'm probably thinking about music.
Volca Sample, FM, Beats, Kick. OP-1, Monologue, Pocket Operators. And an ipad. |
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circuitghost Full Member
Joined: 25 Feb 2015 Posts: 196
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, what I'm after is that broken digital sound. Not analogue, I got enough of that, and not pure, cause that to me isn't all that interesting, but rather the funky beats you can get out of something that sounds rough and imperfect, but all the more wild for it. I don't want the classic 303 sound, I don't want the ladder / curtis / steiner-parker-stuff.
Actually, the OP-1 is close to what I'm after in sound, but it's a pain to use and really just too bloody expensive.
To me, the older tribes sound kind of like digital abominations, in a good way. But I've never heard or tried one live, so that's why I'm wondering. |
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apapdop Platinum Member
Joined: 27 Nov 2014 Posts: 713 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WLmk5YtLToQ _________________ If I'm not listening to music, or if I'm not making music, then I'm probably thinking about music.
Volca Sample, FM, Beats, Kick. OP-1, Monologue, Pocket Operators. And an ipad. |
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Hugo Platinum Member
Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 809
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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So there's nothing to gain by adding the ER-1 if you already have the iElectribe? |
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apapdop Platinum Member
Joined: 27 Nov 2014 Posts: 713 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Hugo wrote: | So there's nothing to gain by adding the ER-1 if you already have the iElectribe? |
You get the audio in feature with the hardware unit which ring mods synth part 4 with the audio input. The sound is beefier too and there's the fun factor of twiddling real hardware. But yep, the iElectribe takes things that bit further whilst staying in the same ballpark. _________________ If I'm not listening to music, or if I'm not making music, then I'm probably thinking about music.
Volca Sample, FM, Beats, Kick. OP-1, Monologue, Pocket Operators. And an ipad. |
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brambos Full Member
Joined: 08 Aug 2010 Posts: 147 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Choosing between the ER-1 and the EM-1 is tough choice to make. I love both. The ER-1 is awesome for tinkering, whilst the EM-1 has to be the groovebox with the fastest workflow on the planet. It's insane how fast you can hammer out something nice with that machine.
I'd say if you have the ES-1 already, prioritize the EM-1 and then get the ER-1 later. Mind you, EM-1 was pretty hard to find when I was looking for one. Much rarer than the ER-1. |
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Hugo Platinum Member
Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 809
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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apapdop wrote: | Hugo wrote: | So there's nothing to gain by adding the ER-1 if you already have the iElectribe? |
You get the audio in feature with the hardware unit which ring mods synth part 4 with the audio input. The sound is beefier too and there's the fun factor of twiddling real hardware. But yep, the iElectribe takes things that bit further whilst staying in the same ballpark. |
Interesting, thanks. I was thinking about picking one up a while back, but decided not to. I already have the EMX, ESX, Electribe 2 and the iElectribe, so I guess I wouldn't gain much from adding the ER-1. Other than having yet another machine - which is, of course, reason enough to buy it |
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apapdop Platinum Member
Joined: 27 Nov 2014 Posts: 713 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 6:06 am Post subject: |
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Hugo wrote: | apapdop wrote: | Hugo wrote: | So there's nothing to gain by adding the ER-1 if you already have the iElectribe? |
You get the audio in feature with the hardware unit which ring mods synth part 4 with the audio input. The sound is beefier too and there's the fun factor of twiddling real hardware. But yep, the iElectribe takes things that bit further whilst staying in the same ballpark. |
Interesting, thanks. I was thinking about picking one up a while back, but decided not to. I already have the EMX, ESX, Electribe 2 and the iElectribe, so I guess I wouldn't gain much from adding the ER-1. Other than having yet another machine - which is, of course, reason enough to buy it |
Using the hardware ER-1 can seem like taking a step back from the iElectribe, but it goes soooo well with the ESX-1, which i see you have!! _________________ If I'm not listening to music, or if I'm not making music, then I'm probably thinking about music.
Volca Sample, FM, Beats, Kick. OP-1, Monologue, Pocket Operators. And an ipad. |
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circuitghost Full Member
Joined: 25 Feb 2015 Posts: 196
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 7:35 am Post subject: |
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apapdop wrote: | https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WLmk5YtLToQ |
Powerful stuff.
I wonder, though, with only two synth voices - there's a point where limitations stop being interesting and just become obviously lacking. I find these older Tribes to have a sound more attractive to me than the newer ones, but compared to sixteen tracks, 24 voices and so on and so forth, the limitations of these older instruments might be too obvious a product of their time.
I don't know, you're a very productive and talented musician, what's your take on that? I don't mind working with small resources, but today, there are limitations that just don't offer interesting challenges anymore. |
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circuitghost Full Member
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 7:43 am Post subject: |
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brambos wrote: | Choosing between the ER-1 and the EM-1 is tough choice to make. I love both. The ER-1 is awesome for tinkering, whilst the EM-1 has to be the groovebox with the fastest workflow on the planet. It's insane how fast you can hammer out something nice with that machine.
I'd say if you have the ES-1 already, prioritize the EM-1 and then get the ER-1 later. Mind you, EM-1 was pretty hard to find when I was looking for one. Much rarer than the ER-1. |
Yep, over here in Sweden, I've seen one in about one year's time. They're just not available. I'm having doubts on its limitations regarding synth voices, though. I don't mind working with limitations, and in fact I prefer it, but compared to what's out there today, two voices in a box the size of much more, I'm still on the fence. What would bring me over is the way it sounds, but even crunchy YouTube demos don't do enough to convince me. Hearing one live would help. Or jus a goddam great recording somewhere. |
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