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KEYponderer
Joined: 25 May 2015 Posts: 14
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Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 5:55 pm Post subject: Mysterious combination |
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I own my Kronos for four months. Trying to learn sound programming from the preset combinations and programs.
I stumbled upon combination "Lucid Dreamin' Rap Star". Two timbres are made of "Maj - HipHop Brass Hit" which sounds completely different than the timbres in the combination. One like a bell piano, the other like pole (?) hit.
When I change the timbre to another program and then return to "Maj - HipHop Brass Hit" the combination plays the sound I would expect.
Does anybody know the magic behind this combination?
Thanks in advance,
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Rigel Senior Member
Joined: 02 Aug 2012 Posts: 252 Location: Izmir, Turkey
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Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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I didnt check that on my K, but your observation seems to stem from different effects settings of the combi and program in question. _________________ Korg KronosX73, Kurzweil PC3K6, Roland V-Synth GT, Kawai K5000S, Waldorf Blofeld, Novation Ultranova, Behringer Neutron, Yamaha HS80M, Boss Micro BR80, Zoom H6, Sony PCM D100, Tascam DP32SD, Mackie 1202VLZ4, Zoom MS-70CDR, Rode NT1, Sony MDR 7506. |
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SanderXpander Platinum Member
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Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like maybe Tone Adjust was used to heavily modify the original program sound within the combi. Changing or reloading a program in a combination will reset the Tone Adjust panel. |
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KEYponderer
Joined: 25 May 2015 Posts: 14
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Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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I followed the effect route and also changed routing, but this doesn't change how each timbre sounds.
It looks like the piano sound is an accord following the speed of the short decay brass hit sample, but I couldn't find the respective samples in the timbre settings.
Any idea which setting to look for? |
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keywhiz61 Full Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2011 Posts: 103
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 12:07 am Post subject: |
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Unless specifically told to do so, the effects used in the Program aren't going to be carried over and used in the Timbre of the Combi.
Take the effects off the Program and see if it sounds more like how it sounds in the Combi |
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KEYponderer
Joined: 25 May 2015 Posts: 14
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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I switched off all effects, but this doesn't help me to explain why the two timbres sound like completely different samples than the one used for the program.
Also walked thru all timbre settings, but I really don't get it.
Hard to explain if you don't sit in front of your instrument and listen to the sound of each timbre compared to the program both refer to.
This is kind of magic. Well, no wonder, because it has been programmed by John 'Skippy' Lehmkuhl.
Anyone having a clue how it really works?
Thanks,
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KEYponderer
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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I find it as A117 under BassSplit category. Got firmware v3.0.2 installed.
Just finished reading an article about Tone Adjust. Must take a second look if I haven't overseen a detail. |
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SanderXpander Platinum Member
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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As I said you can heavily modify programs within the context of a combination using Tone Adjust. If you then save the combination, it will have your "altered" program in it (really it's kind of a Tone Adjust "overly"). Selecting a new program on that timbre resets the Tone Adjust parameters. Switching back to the original will also, again, reset Tone Adjust, leading to a (potentially) vastly different sound from when you first opened the combi. |
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keywhiz61 Full Member
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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KEYponderer wrote: | I switched off all effects, but this doesn't help me to explain why the two timbres sound like completely different samples than the one used for the program.
Also walked thru all timbre settings, but I really don't get it.
Hard to explain if you don't sit in front of your instrument and listen to the sound of each timbre compared to the program both refer to.
This is kind of magic. Well, no wonder, because it has been programmed by John 'Skippy' Lehmkuhl.
Anyone having a clue how it really works?
Thanks,
KEYponderer |
It's all in the effects. But, granted, a very creative use of them!
First I turned off all the effects used in the Combi, then I returned those those two timbres to their original key (they are taken down -24 steps).
Then I copied the effects from the program to the timbres, and they both ended up sounded exactly like the program.
So, what he did was the opposite. Used the program without bringing the original program effects over, and then added a bunch of stuff within the Combi effects to create entirely new sounds. |
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keywhiz61 Full Member
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Also, the combi is using Karma as well. I turned that off too to get the timbres to sound like the program. |
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QuiRobinez Approved Merchant
Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 2533 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Actually it's really easy to achieve. This is indeed done in tone control where you can modify the parameters of the program. In this case the timbre 2 uses sample 1202, and timbre 3 uses sample 482.
You can also modify this yourself.
.. Select the combi
.. Press the tone adj button (it's next to the drumtrack button)
.. Press the tab control surface on your touchscreen
.. On the right side of your screen you see the word timbre, select t02
.. Check the second row on lane 7, it says ms/ws/dkit with a value of 1202
.. Change this to a different value, now you are using a different sample, but with the original programming of that program.
.. Now select timbre t03
.. There you see the sample 482 is used for the same program.
That's why they sound different. The tone control feature is an extremely powerful feature in combi mode, i use it all the time and think it's worth experimenting with it if you are into combi programming. |
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kenrdot Full Member
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Thank you Qui for your expert insight once again |
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KEYponderer
Joined: 25 May 2015 Posts: 14
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 8:50 am Post subject: |
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This combination is no longer a mystery for me.
Very well explained, QuiRobinez!
Thanks a lot (also to those pointing to the Tone Adjust settings),
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