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Mod766
Joined: 28 Aug 2015 Posts: 4
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:04 pm Post subject: Es2 pros cons tips weird ( Still Clicking No Fix ) |
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Had my electribe for a week
Here are some pro cons tips weirdos type stuff.
PROS
Quality of sound good ( samples are crap low tech mono )
Build quality good ( dials all solid, heavy metal )
Polyphonic seems ok if you don't go crazy 24
Class compliant USB to iPad so CC dials and pads etc
CONS
Midi input is not send to output ( when live playing ECHO thru )
velocity isn't great ( pad velocity is set to off as default )
Motion sequence does not send data ( no midi output )
Audio input too low for recording ( had iPad at full volume still too low )
Audio input has no threshold ( you will have to press start when recording )
TIPS
Pad CLICKING is caused by VOICE ASSIGN When set to mono1
This must be a trigger setting or something, when multiple notes are
Played the click happens, use Mono2 etc to STOP CLICK!!!
This seemed to fix clicking but tried it again with different sound
Still clicking, so annoying.!!!! Seems to be the release decay.
This still happens even with reverse play very ODD.
VELOCITY needs to be set to on for each pad in each seq.
This is a real pain in the arse and should be set to on as Default. IDIOTS!!
SHIFT as function, hold shift key and press pad 1 to 16 to get to menu faster
SHIFT Tap Tempo
SHIFT Chord
SHIFT Write name
SHIFT Master FX
SOLO press Part Mute then Hold Part Mute & press pad for SOLO
Press Shift and Part Mute UNSOLO
When changing sequence it sends MSB 0 and LSB 0 ( first 127 ) or 1
Inside the electribe system file is some xml data for ableton
Just open it as text if you want xml info.
WEIRD
OSC can use audio in, pcm wave etc or other OSC.
So are the other osc's wave files or data, do they take up memory ?
If we could delete OSC's then maybe more memory capacity!!
If you are playing a sequence and you turn the dial for next sequence
It will immediately send program change info then switch to next sequence.
This is odd and stupid PC at end not during playback!!!
Just did a click test again if you load a bass sample and adjust OSC pitch up
The click disappears so it's a sound fault. If it's an op amp problem then Korg are screwed and so are we. Warranty !!!!!
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Ted3000 Platinum Member
Joined: 06 Jul 2013 Posts: 625
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 12:16 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | "OSC can use audio in, pcm wave etc or other OSC.
So are the other osc's wave files or data, do they take up memory ?
If we could delete OSC's then maybe more memory capacity!!" |
The oscillators (saw, square, etc) are not samples. They're models, software algorithms. They eat DSP processing power (thus polyphony) but don't eat memory. They're part of the OS.
Quote: | Just did a click test again if you load a bass sample and adjust OSC pitch up
The click disappears so it's a sound fault. If it's an op amp problem then Korg are screwed and so are we. Warranty !!!!! |
The click is a problem with the way the envelopes are modeled. The click is a discontinuity, a non-zero crossing instant volume change - SNAP. It has nothing to do with the hardware, the envelopes are generated digitally by the OS. _________________ www.soundcloud.com/astrospy |
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Loudest Full Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2015 Posts: 174
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Personally, I notice clicks when I use "electribe filters" (on e2s)
or when I change the start point of the sample (with "Edit" knob)
Indeed, I think this is a problem because there is no zero-crossing
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Mod766
Joined: 28 Aug 2015 Posts: 4
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:35 pm Post subject: Time to move on |
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had enough of the electribe sampler anyway....
MIDI is just not good enough no thru no motion send.
Effects are way too basic for 2015, no time scale.
Sdcard problems won't load samples after format Useless!
Polyphonic is strange I don't think it's 24, DSP must drop poly count.
pad velocity is just not usable and no midi thru means can't use external.
Sound clicking must of been known in testing, that's bad!
If you delete internal sounds PC NO disappear.
Build quality and sound quality good just not usable in a practical situation.
If I sold a product with this level of bad design I would be out of business!!
If no updates soon I'm returning as faulty.
Get my money Back while I can !!!!!!!!!! |
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mikejarod
Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 24
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:16 am Post subject: |
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I'm not going to return it because I managed to adjust my workflow to what the machine is good at (just playing oneshot samples...). And the paint is already coming off after a month so returning it to the store would be a fuss. But man if this machine was released in 1990-2000 then I would be cool, but in 2015 it really is a joke. Severely underpowered and a lot of quirks. |
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Loudest Full Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2015 Posts: 174
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:44 am Post subject: |
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I think the "hardware part" is OK, but KORG has totally messed up the "software part"
actually, it looks like it is a beta version (!), a prototype... and that there isn't all functionality yet (proof: there are less possibility than the previous electribes!!..)
I think they prepare an app for iPad (android?) (but this is not even sure...just a hunch.)
but about the firmware I still hope that it will evolve soon...
actually, I am waiting for better MIDI implementation
because if we could access to the pushbuttons (all the knobs are pratically implemented) we could develop program (via arduino for example..) to correct certain deficiencies. |
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jugger
Joined: 30 Dec 2014 Posts: 12
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for sharing your experiences with ES2. I've been planning on buying one but looks like a good idea to wait some more and see if they can get most of the problems solved with firmware updates. I can live with the fairly limited features but all those clicks/pops and problems with the memory cards are basically showstoppers. |
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apapdop Platinum Member
Joined: 27 Nov 2014 Posts: 713 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Korg have taken away some features and replaced them with new ones. These are different machines to the old ones, with a new list of pros and cons to replace the old list of pros and cons.
for what it's worth, i've had no SD card problems on both synth and sampler. And the clicks and pops go away with a few well placed tweaks to parameters and part settings.
These machines are slow burners, and the initial user experience is not helped by the crap manuals. But they are not very deep, once you learn the ropes and how they want to be driven, then it's down to the user. They won't make the music for ya... _________________ If I'm not listening to music, or if I'm not making music, then I'm probably thinking about music.
Volca Sample, FM, Beats, Kick. OP-1, Monologue, Pocket Operators. And an ipad. |
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h.vel Full Member
Joined: 30 Jul 2015 Posts: 104
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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apapdop wrote: | ... it's down to the user. They won't make the music for ya... |
Hmm, I don't think that anyone expects that the Electribes have to make music for them. The E2(S) has many issues, and they exist due to the bad programming of Korg - not the user (though I know what you like to say ). It's very understandable when people like to wait if Korg will fix the issues with an update. |
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troxx
Joined: 26 Jun 2015 Posts: 47 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah I think you just got to be aware of what you can and can't do on the new electribes. All hardware have some feature missing or something is not implemented well, even the expensive Elektron gear have their critics.
I think there's enough information on the board for a person to make an educated decision on whether the elecribes will work for them?
I'm sure after spending a few days people will see just how fun, creative & quick you can write stuff on these.
Me I'm happy with both, I've just spent a few long days gathering samples from my various sample cd's and recording soft synths patches from the likes of Zebra & Omnisphere to use on the ES2.
Happy Days. _________________ EMX-1, Electribe 2, Electribe Sampler, Korg iOS |
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