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APPLICATION OF A FEATURE REQUEST:
Does any forum member have a suggestion(s) for a valuable use(s) of SYNCHRO STOP in a live performance situation?
Does any forum member have a suggestion(s) for a valuable use(s) of SYNCHRO STOP in a live performance situation?
Mr. Kim Gardner, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
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Korg PA3X-76 and PA-50 gig backup unit. Roland RD-800 Master 88 note piano keyboard. TC-Helicon VoiceLive 3
PA1X-Pro 2 units acquired in 2004 and became a forum member. Traded these in to get one PA3X-Pro-76 on July 25, 2014. Kurzweil PC88-MX (acq'd. 1995, stored), Korg EC-5 foot pedal switch,Roland DP-10 sustain pedals, Roland PK-5A dynamic MIDI 1 octave 13 pedal organ bass pedalboard, Behringer continuous control expression pedal. Kontact Komplete Ultimate 7, 8, 9, now 10 with Guitar Rig Controller Foot pedal board. Sonar Producer. MIDI controllers: Behringer FCB1010, Akai professional LPK25, M-Audio Axiom 49 MIDI controller , M-Audio Axiom 25 MIDI controller. 50+ years musical performance experience, Union Musician, Local 293, Hamilton.
- kgardner53
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Firstly, I presume you would have to engage SYNCHRO STOP while something like a one-chord variation, CHORD SEQUENCER, ENDING etc. is playing without any user keyboard input and then after bringing play to a stop you want to play the LOWER sound for a suitable duration while MEMORY is off so the LOWER sound ceases when you lift your hand off the LOWER SPLIT keys. Following which, you would presumably have to disengage SYNCHRO STOP.
Mr. Kim Gardner, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Korg PA3X-76 and PA-50 gig backup unit. Roland RD-800 Master 88 note piano keyboard. TC-Helicon VoiceLive 3
PA1X-Pro 2 units acquired in 2004 and became a forum member. Traded these in to get one PA3X-Pro-76 on July 25, 2014. Kurzweil PC88-MX (acq'd. 1995, stored), Korg EC-5 foot pedal switch,Roland DP-10 sustain pedals, Roland PK-5A dynamic MIDI 1 octave 13 pedal organ bass pedalboard, Behringer continuous control expression pedal. Kontact Komplete Ultimate 7, 8, 9, now 10 with Guitar Rig Controller Foot pedal board. Sonar Producer. MIDI controllers: Behringer FCB1010, Akai professional LPK25, M-Audio Axiom 49 MIDI controller , M-Audio Axiom 25 MIDI controller. 50+ years musical performance experience, Union Musician, Local 293, Hamilton.
Korg PA3X-76 and PA-50 gig backup unit. Roland RD-800 Master 88 note piano keyboard. TC-Helicon VoiceLive 3
PA1X-Pro 2 units acquired in 2004 and became a forum member. Traded these in to get one PA3X-Pro-76 on July 25, 2014. Kurzweil PC88-MX (acq'd. 1995, stored), Korg EC-5 foot pedal switch,Roland DP-10 sustain pedals, Roland PK-5A dynamic MIDI 1 octave 13 pedal organ bass pedalboard, Behringer continuous control expression pedal. Kontact Komplete Ultimate 7, 8, 9, now 10 with Guitar Rig Controller Foot pedal board. Sonar Producer. MIDI controllers: Behringer FCB1010, Akai professional LPK25, M-Audio Axiom 49 MIDI controller , M-Audio Axiom 25 MIDI controller. 50+ years musical performance experience, Union Musician, Local 293, Hamilton.
- karmathanever
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SYNCHRO START & STOP together - great for band "stabs" (always depending on the style of course)


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- kgardner53
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Great tip.karmathanever wrote:SYNCHRO START & STOP together - great for band "stabs" (always depending on the style of course)
KUDOS ... I have never used SYNCHRO START & STOP together but WOW, gotta love it. Honestly never thought to press them both simultaneously. This trick is not just great for "stabs" though.
Clear benefit --- In STYLE play without SYNCHRO START and STOP both engaged, when you want the accompaniment to go silent you can turn memory off but then the drums keep playing. With your trick, however, you can lift hands and everything goes silent. Hold down lower notes and the accompaniment keeps playing with at least one note held down. Only restarts if all hands off and then back on again.
There are a lot of permutations to this configuration.
1. SYNCHRO START and STOP both engaged, with:
a. CHORD SCAN set to LOWER only or UPPER only
b. CHORD SCAN set to LOWER and UPPER
c. ENSEMBLE set to ON
d. ENSEMBLE set to OFF
e. MEMORY set to ON
f. MEMORY set to OFF
g. SPLIT set to ON
h. SPLIT set to OFF
i. in 3 FINGER CHORD MODE, play three lower notes, then lift off and play single or two-note chords
j. change between the three chord MODES
k. play upper notes legato
l. play upper notes as staccato disconnected notes
m. lift left hand but keep upper note down and then go to another upper note
i. connected and
ii. disconnected
With SYNCHRO START and STOP both engaged ... all the possible combinations of those factors open up a whole new set of musical events that are quite different from what happens when both SYNCHRO ON and OFF are not engaged (lit). I started documenting the possible uses and results and gave up. The new permutations are many!
Mr. Kim Gardner, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Korg PA3X-76 and PA-50 gig backup unit. Roland RD-800 Master 88 note piano keyboard. TC-Helicon VoiceLive 3
PA1X-Pro 2 units acquired in 2004 and became a forum member. Traded these in to get one PA3X-Pro-76 on July 25, 2014. Kurzweil PC88-MX (acq'd. 1995, stored), Korg EC-5 foot pedal switch,Roland DP-10 sustain pedals, Roland PK-5A dynamic MIDI 1 octave 13 pedal organ bass pedalboard, Behringer continuous control expression pedal. Kontact Komplete Ultimate 7, 8, 9, now 10 with Guitar Rig Controller Foot pedal board. Sonar Producer. MIDI controllers: Behringer FCB1010, Akai professional LPK25, M-Audio Axiom 49 MIDI controller , M-Audio Axiom 25 MIDI controller. 50+ years musical performance experience, Union Musician, Local 293, Hamilton.
Korg PA3X-76 and PA-50 gig backup unit. Roland RD-800 Master 88 note piano keyboard. TC-Helicon VoiceLive 3
PA1X-Pro 2 units acquired in 2004 and became a forum member. Traded these in to get one PA3X-Pro-76 on July 25, 2014. Kurzweil PC88-MX (acq'd. 1995, stored), Korg EC-5 foot pedal switch,Roland DP-10 sustain pedals, Roland PK-5A dynamic MIDI 1 octave 13 pedal organ bass pedalboard, Behringer continuous control expression pedal. Kontact Komplete Ultimate 7, 8, 9, now 10 with Guitar Rig Controller Foot pedal board. Sonar Producer. MIDI controllers: Behringer FCB1010, Akai professional LPK25, M-Audio Axiom 49 MIDI controller , M-Audio Axiom 25 MIDI controller. 50+ years musical performance experience, Union Musician, Local 293, Hamilton.
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I used this trick in Style on Intro 1 for song IRENE CARA - Flashdance , where she start slower on beginning of song.Thoraldus wrote:Yes! This works fine. Just Insert new Tempo event in Master track of Intro1 (and/or Intro2) and then save the style. Thanks for the hint!!!Nemik wrote:Slower Intro - very easy.
Sometimes, you want play something between performance which need to be different Tempo, that rest of song, slower for example.
You can change in intro Tempo simply insert in Edit Event /Master Track : M:001.01.001 Tempo (new tempo) right after Meter line, saved and when you play this element is going to overwrite for your new Tempo, all other stay unchanged.
Some song has slower Intro
Edit: You can also use this techniques to change the tempo per variation and/or endings
works as charm, perfect transition . starting intro 1, then intro 2 with already normal tempo etc...
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For basic user yes, for Advanced not.montatore wrote:intro 2 and ending 2 will follow your own chord progression

Is all in manual.

But you know all, you read it.

Nemik
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Nemik wrote:For basic user yes, for Advanced not.montatore wrote:intro 2 and ending 2 will follow your own chord progression![]()
Is all in manual.![]()
But you know all, you read it.
In the manual there's NOT written that. In the manual there's written that intro2 and ending 2 have a FIXED chord progression. Which, paradoxically shows I -have- read the manual, and you haven't

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- Nemik
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Because your bad attitude and poor knowledge on style structure you have to think Intro 2 and Ending 2 can only play with user own chord progressionmontatore wrote:Nemik wrote:For basic user yes, for Advanced not.montatore wrote:intro 2 and ending 2 will follow your own chord progression![]()
Is all in manual.![]()
But you know all, you read it.
In the manual there's NOT written that. In the manual there's written that intro2 and ending 2 have a FIXED chord progression. Which, paradoxically shows I -have- read the manual, and you haven't![]()
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You my friend on your own now, use your intelligence and figure out.

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It's true that Factory Styles are programmed that way but luckilymontatore wrote:In the manual there's written that intro2 and ending 2 have a FIXED chord progression
that's nothing more than a programming decision (COMPLETELY OPTIONAL). You can program your own Intros anyway you like. You can record them with or without fixed chord progression, so nothing's set in stone. That's a FACT.
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Sam CA wrote:It's true that Factory Styles are programmed that way but luckilymontatore wrote:In the manual there's written that intro2 and ending 2 have a FIXED chord progression
that's nothing more than a programming decision (COMPLETELY OPTIONAL). You can program your own Intros anyway you like. You can record them with or without fixed chord progression, so nothing's set in stone. That's a FACT.

Which is explain on page 200 (NNT Area) in Pa300 User Manual.
Nobody say is not possible with other elements (Intro 2).Note: To conform to Korg specifications, it is advisable to set the
NTT to “No Transpose” on the Intro 1 and Ending 1.

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Is it a 'fact', Sherlock Holmes? The question was what's written in the manual. Not what you can or cannot do.Sam CA wrote:It's true that Factory Styles are programmed that way but luckilymontatore wrote:In the manual there's written that intro2 and ending 2 have a FIXED chord progression
that's nothing more than a programming decision (COMPLETELY OPTIONAL). You can program your own Intros anyway you like. You can record them with or without fixed chord progression, so nothing's set in stone. That's a FACT.
Let me take you by the hand: User guide>overview>page 11>bottom of the page.
There's your facts.
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Really??? Not true my friend...montatore wrote:In the manual there's written that intro2 and ending 2 have a FIXED chord progression.
Which, paradoxically shows I -have- read the manual, and you haven't



THIS IS IN THE MANUAL:-
INTRO/ENDING 1 has the fixed chord progressionPA3x User Manual Page 11 wrote:Note: Intro 1 plays a short sequence with different chords, while
Intro 2 plays on the latest recognized chord. Intro 3 is usually a
one-bar Count In.
Note: Ending 1 plays a short sequence with different chords, while
Ending 2 plays on the latest recognized chord. Ending 3 starts
immediately, and is just two measures long
INTRO/ENDINGS 2 & 3 will follow what ever chords you play just like a regular VAR
What is the issue here?

Also
Not very nice.....montatore wrote:Man, you continuously shoot yourself in the foot, why do you do that? It's like watching comedy.
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