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[Bachus]

I dont know where you found that quote about sa2 voices... But it seems oversimplified, meant to educate non technical people... Seems to me that he is hinting to the functionallity of a megavoice and not to the technollogy that is mainly vellocity switching



But never mind... I am going to stop this discussion... The endresult is what counts and sa2 voices whatever technollogy yamaha is hiding under their hood are the most realistic playable acoustic emulations in hardware keyboards available... There is 22 of them available in Tyros 5 ...

[DmitryKo]

[Bachus]

[SanderXpander]

Honestly I would trust Bert Smorenburg over either of them. I don't think they were "lying" exactly but this stuff gets pretty technical and I don't believe either of them have a very strong background in synthesis. Add a little positive bias (they're trying to sell a product and "physical modeling" sounds hip) and I think you're there, pretty much.

[Kevin Nolan]

I'm afraid I have to agree Bachus - I've read all the links you point to, and more, and can find no mention of physical modelling. SA2 is entirely sample based.

There is clearly AEM - but that's like Supernatural behavioural modelling, used in the rapid selection of sample elements live according to the performance characteristics.


More that one person here has mixed up 'modelling' with 'physical modelling'.

Physical modelling is the mathematical modelling of acoustic instruments - to generate the sound. There are as I'm sure you know many other forms of modelling - from effects modelling to circuit modelling to performance modelling ( far and beyond the method of scripting used in Kontakt that some persist in comparing it with, incorrectly).

In SA2 we do indeed have modelling - but performance / behavioural type modelling.


In any case, two issues strongly suggesting there is no physical modelling taking place include 1) matching the audio characteristics of both samples and physical models, in the same instrument while being performed in real time, would be near on impossible and 2) you're suggesting models that only appeared in the VP1 and it is highly unlikely that that technology appears under the hood on TYROS.

None of this takes away from the stunning and sophisticated nature of SA2 or TYROS (if only Yamaha Synthesis would adopt similar levels) - though - watch this space in NAMM

[Jan1]

With NAMM less than two weeks away there are very few rumors and teasers flying around, and it makes me wonder if companies are moving away from teasers, or if it is a sign of a boring NAMM up ahead.
If Yamaha is set to release an entirely new workstation line you'd expect some sort of teaser as they has with the uneventful Reface series. Silence before the storm or is the Montage not ready yet?

[Bachus]

[compusic]

[Jan1]

From Keyboard's forum: the new Montage is highlighted at http://www.onlinedigeditions.com/publication/?i=286673&p=224.%20Click%20to%20enlarge%20image.
Apparently it's AWM2 with bigger ROM plus an FM engine and double the polyphony, and a color touchscreen, not quite as revolutionary and alien as some expected it to be.

[jimknopf]

Let's just recall Richard Devine's bold interview statement:
"This synthesizer has new technology that’s never been implemented before, so it’s totally alien to anything I’ve ever used. I’ve had to spend a few weeks just understanding the architecture of it."


In fact it is no revolution at all, it's just more of the same. And how poor, that it doesn't even include the complete Reface synthesis engines variety (with more voices and preset memory)!

Never trust excessive, artificial hype.
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[Jeff Gibbs]

From Yamaha forum:
http://www.onlinedigeditions.com/publication/?i=286673&p=224

[Sharp]

Zero Innovation, 100% marketing hype.

[afr]

[Bachus]