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spaceman3 · Platinum Member Joined: 25 Jan 2015 Posts: 520

Wow! i keep commenting on this off subject, subject. Laughing

I guess it is hard for me to ignore a good debate.
At the end of the day, I actually agree that analogue is very important to sound.
I have several tube preamps myself.
And if reel to reel wasnt such a pain in the butt to work with, i
would probably still be using a reel to reel.
Still do not get the apeal of records over cds.
I do get why people love analogue synths.
They make wonderfull sounds.
I would not want to write a whole song with one, as it would be hard for me to replicate alot of instrument sounds i use. (band in a box)
If i did, i would end up with a milky mess.
Plus i am way overly frugal to make that investment.
Also analogue synths spook me.
I would be wondering, is it gonna break down on me today,and i do not have the skill to repair it.
As far as my opinion.
Im probably only half right.
But probably so is everyone else.
Music and sound achievement is somewhat subjective, and there are so very many ways of creating different sounds and textures.
I do respect all your opinions here, and i do apreciate the science and facts you have presented.
It is good.
Smile

Thoraldus · Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:28 pm Post subject:

Came in here looking for info on Behringer Synth ... got sucked into an analog-digital vortex. Déjà vu all over again! Wink

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SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

Opinions are not facts. You can't say that tape distortion is better than no distortion, sorry but once you start talking about "better" or "worse" with things like this it's definitely opinion. When the cd was launched as a medium many mix engineers were ecstatic that they could finally mix without the constraints of vinyl and tape. Why do you think there are so many "remastered" versions of albums? Whether or not you think they are actually better is OPINION. Modern digital audio recording is more accurate than analog audio. That is a fact. And I say that even though I too enjoy tape compression and vinyl sound, sometimes.

jazlover · Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 11:13 pm Post subject:

One of my favorite Laws in Biology..... Is the Law of Animal Behavior : under controlled circumstances, "an animal will behave as it damned well pleases". When it comes to human opinions and behavior.... this is even more certain.

Truly, Korg Forums is an unexpected and enlightening place..... I do wish it was possible to meet......once a year in a big place filled with drink, good stories and of course (some great music).
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Kevin Nolan · Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:21 pm Post subject:

spaceman3 · Platinum Member Joined: 25 Jan 2015 Posts: 520

Just for the record.
I never said cds are better than most tape.
I said, cds are better than records.
And i never once said that tape distortion isnt a good thing, or it was inferior in some way.
I was talking about analogue synths.
And that is an opinion, that is bassed on facts and science and the human factor.
As far as opinions, It still comes down to that.
When i say i like digital synths over analogue, that is an opinion.
Just like if someone likes analogue synths better than digital synths, that is opinions.
There is no magic spec that makes analogue synths better than digital,or the other way around.
Science and facts do not make analogue synths better than digital synths.
That is just your opinion.
When i say your opinion, i mean anybodys.
Simplicity is beautfull.
So here it is.
If choices for gear isnt about opinions.
Then those of us who can aford to get gear we want, would all have the same exact, consoles, synthesizers, mics, preamps, and on down the line.
Using science and facts would lead us to the same conclusions.
Because the specs do not lie. or do they?
I have heard 16 bit converters that sound better than 24 bit.
Toy yamaha cheap keyboards that have sounds that are on par with pro boards (bread n butter sounds mostly).
Or i have seen great specs,but enginering was bad and effected performance and sound.
I could give many other examples but i am trying to be concise.
That is why i do not blindly follow facts and science.
I follow my ear.
First i use facts and science.
Then i use my ear.
Then i use comparison.
Then i form an opinion if i like certain gear or not.
A person can have researched and found what they thought was the perfect synthesizer.
Going by science and fact.
Of course that doesnt mean they will make pleasing music for anyone or not.
But to a degree.
Music, soul, and a good ear transcends science and facts.
I guess for me, the science that works best with music is that it is mathematical.

jazlover · Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:16 pm Post subject:

After pages of reasoned disagreement....I am a big enough man to admit one thing... that I was completely wrong about..

spaceman3 · Platinum Member Joined: 25 Jan 2015 Posts: 520

Passion can also be mistaken for grumpyness. Laughing

jeremykeys · Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:19 pm Post subject:

The best violinists looked for the Stradivarious because it was the loudest. Yes, most of them sounded great but IMHO it was just a very very early version of the loudness wars.

Mind you, I find it almost impossible to hear the differences between analogue and digital these days. Sure analogue is pushing electrons but what do you think is running through the circuits of digital?

Anyway, I know that by saying these things I've already pushed some peoples buttons. Sorry! No need to respond with anger. I'm not anywhere close to being in the market for a new synth. I have too many old ones that need serious repair work first.

As for vinyl, my records are far too warped so I can't play them in my car! Wink

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Kevin Nolan · Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:16 am Post subject:

jeremykeys · Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:58 am Post subject:

I've actually played a Guarnerius violin. One of my piano teachers owned it. It was somewhat softer in volume than the Strad style violins that I was used to. That's all I'm saying. It has to do with the shape of the arched top I believe. I could very well be wrong but that's what I noticed. I have never played a real Stradivarius so my findings are probably flawed.
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spaceman3 · Platinum Member Joined: 25 Jan 2015 Posts: 520

Please know i am not speaking of individual specific gear or components, or a specific effect.
As i stated earlier, Yes we all know some things sound better because of what they are.
That is not opinion.
Opinion is me saying that i dont care much for analogue synths or records
because of thier shortcomings, for what i do.
Even if i did not have the facts or knowledge, or specs of a synth.
All i have to do is listen to it , and fiddle with it to know if i like it or not.
When people are listening to a recorded song.
They still have to form an opinion about if they like what they hear,
because when you listen to a recorded song, we do not have the science, or facts, or data telling us exactly how the sounds down to every little detail were made.
My main point is, one cannot say a an analogue synthesizer is better than a digital synthesizer, based on specs, facts, or science.
These things are too subjective.
Not everyone thinks analogue synths are great, and not everyone thinks digital synths are great.
And that brings us back to opinion.
And that is why the analogue vs digital debate will always continue.
Even long after we are gone.

Jan1 · Platinum Member Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 765

In the meantime, vol.3 of the teaser series is online, and indeed, it is a polyphonic analog.
And it has a four octave keybed.

RKfan · Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:08 pm Post subject:

Broadwave · Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:27 am Post subject: