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LZ · Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:16 pm Post subject:

We did the EMF song when it was new. Did the vocal samples with....um....vocals. Why not? Saying you have to have the original samples is like saying you don't sound like Steve Perry, so how can you do journey without sampling him? It's pretty simple....you do your best Andrew dice clay impression. 2 of us did different parts since they overlap a bit. The drummer played the "drum loop". You do know that a drum loop is usually a recording of a drummer actually playing drums, right? It helped that our drummer played electrics and could dial in the sounds. I went through a phase where I started getting samples to make it sound perfect, but if you take that to its conclusion you aren't playing any more. I will still do very prominent single shot effects, but not loops and almost never vocals - the exception being uptown funk.
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Cobra Jet · Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:58 pm Post subject:

Cobra Jet · Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:10 pm Post subject:

Perhaps my singer and drummer might want to go in 1/2's and purchase one of these Wink

https://www.roland.com/us/products/sp-404/

aron · Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:54 am Post subject:

Yes, I feel your pain. I gave up on this long ago when I realize the artists themselves didn't have to/or want to cover all the sounds. Remember, unless it's a live recording, these parts were layered in the studio. Not everything is needed or should be there live.

Case in point, one of the bands I play in made a 2 or 3 chord song super hard to play by picking out an obscure sequence way in the background and wrote the notes out so I had to sight read it on the gig. I did it, but it sounded stupid. But then I am a guitarist as well, so I pointed out he wasn't playing a ton of parts that was on the record as well.

YES, we can play lots of sounds, but we only have 2 hands. AND it's not like the synth guitar, synth bass, EWI hasn't been invented. Let them play stupid sounds too! Smile

The drummer, guitarist etc... can trigger sounds too.
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Cobra Jet · Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: Just venting

kbrkr · Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:08 pm Post subject:

What's the difference between accommodating this request and a similar request for the unique sounds in Uptown Funk?

I ALWAYS accommodate as many requests as I can, that is what separates me from other players who do not know or are capable of sampling. That is why I own and use a sampling keyboard. From the Train/Whistle from the intro to Night train to the Vocal Aaahs in Comfortably Numb to the breakdown Jet flyover in Mony Mony, I always try to provide whatever sounds are in the song.

If it's too ridiculous, I find my band mates will self police the requester. Very Happy

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aron · Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:53 am Post subject:

Most of the pros use background tracks. Some even carry entire pro tools computers.
Many use other equipment for the background tracks.
Of all the professional players I have played with, none of them have asked for the effects to be played - but again, if the song will fall apart without those sounds - then by all means, play them if the songs don't stand without them.
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Derek Cook · Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:09 am Post subject:

I guess it depends on what you are trying to achieve, who your audience is and (as mentioned above) how much you are getting paid.

I am currently in a Pink Floyd tribute band, where the expectation is that you get as close as possible to Floyd's live sound on the Division Bell tour, because that is what people are paying us to come and see. That includes all the sound effects and at least the solos need to be pretty close. Fortunately Rick Wright was a bit of an improviser anyway who never played the same thing twice, so I have a small amount of leeway! Wink

Effects and certain sounds are either on the Kronos or on backing tracks, depending on how many fingers I have free when they are needed!
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Cobra Jet · Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:59 pm Post subject:

Thanks for all the different points of view. I agree completely with many of the members here as far as trying to make the songs sound as good as possible and I do work hard to recreate important parts of the songs we are covering. I guess my point was just like anything else it can be taken to an extreme. Trying to find that line can be hard sometimes.

One more question. I find that simply sampling off the original recording can capture other instruments that I would prefer were not on my sample. Is there a trick to reduce or eliminate that from occurring?

jeremykeys · Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:36 am Post subject:

Derek, does your band play "On the Run"? If so, I was wondering where you got the background sounds that go behind the EMS synth sequence part. I have the sequence sound on my Kronos and was just wondering. I thought it might be a cool surprise to throw at my band.

IOn another note but still staying in the "vent" mode. For any of you who read Sound on Sound magazine. Dave Stewart wrote a great article that somewhat applies here. He mentions a story form a music professor who had a student who said he could play a well know piano song. The student then proceeded to press a button on his midi controller. After the first part ended he pressed the next button.

I think that none of us want to be just button pressers! But in some circumstances it is very cool to be able to "pull off" the right sound effect at the right time.

In my country/rock band we do a cover of Journey's Separate Ways. Linda sings it great!

She sounds exactly NOT like Steve Perry! Wink

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