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Ted3000 · Platinum Member Joined: 06 Jul 2013 Posts: 625

Subject says it all.

I just tested audio export for the first time.

Master effect is not rendered when you chose audio export.

Now, sure, your daw or copy of Ableton Live has a million effects to play with. And you can record it the old fashioned way. But wow! I never expected this.

This gives evidence to my theory that they just glued a mini KP2 in there - Master FX only exists as an independent audio effect that comes right before the outputs. And it's why tails carry over across pattens if you have the same effect. It's just not part of the in-chip sound path, and it's not part of the export render. And when it finishes silently exporting, you actually hear the delay that should have been in the export.

Speaking of tails:

In addition, when you export: insert effects run from a fresh start - if you have delay as an insert, the beginning of your clip won't contain the "tail" - meaning loops don't behave like they do when the unit has made a complete pass. You don't get a seamless loop. Hey, you might not want one - why is this not an option?

The longer I use it the more I'm confused by some of the decisions the Korg team made - if they were even decisions to begin with.
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Tarekith · Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:53 pm Post subject:

Hopefully some of these things are just bugs or oversights, and we see a fix soon in an update.

I'm kind of torn on the master effects being rendered with stems. It's no different on a daw, if you send someone stems of the track to work on more, usually you mute the effects on the master channel too. I could see how it would be frustrating in the Electribe since you have so few effects though, and some tracks might be using the master effects for reverb.
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Tarekith · Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:19 pm Post subject:

Who knows, maybe a bug.
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goony · Joined: 07 May 2014 Posts: 25 Location: United Kingdom

Must admit took me by surprised too when I exported it too.... No master effect at all........

SMK · Platinum Member Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 1197

Glad I am not that attached to the whole export thing. This would have been a total bummer for me.

Well I just treat my DAW's as track recorders and we're done.

This to me makes the on board event recorder on the tribe just that much more valuable to me.
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jimmyfontana · Joined: 13 Feb 2014 Posts: 17

It kinda makes sense for certain mfx like compressor or limiter. They could work around it by exporting a separate master track, with all those tracks routed to the mfx, or individual tracks, each affected by the mfx. Maybe a parameter in the export menu to specify what option the user wants before exporting, if the internal hardware routing allows this.

brambos · Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:30 am Post subject:

This makes complete sense to me, to be honest. Maybe because it fits my workflow, but consider this: the main reason for having Ableton export is so you can continue working on half-finished material and complete it on your PC. Hence you want the Electribe to export raw material (samples and tracks, building blocks for your actual track) rather than a fully 'mastered in the box' audio track.

I don't care either way, and they could have offered an option for it, but it doesn't really surprise me at all from a production workflow point of view.

I have no doubt this was a very conscious and well considered decision. Not a bug.

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dutchcow · Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:34 am Post subject:

So it does't export MFX and also doesn't create proper loops due to IFX being cut/not using a full run to create the loop. Still figuring out ways around these things and hoping Korg will try to fix some.

It would be silly for Korg to add MFX that have no numerical values and is on a separate audio circuit only useful live or if you record the line out. I kinda like the export function because it stays 'digital'.

grimleyj · Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 8 Location: Seattle, WA

Bummer! Electribe arrived a few weeks ago and I just tried the export function tonight. Master FX is kind of central to this track and I was hoping it would be rendered to a separate audio file (along with individual separate dry tracks).
Also, the tracks should be rendered up to 3 times as long as they are. For example, with a 4 bar track with a delay insert, you would get the first few notes of the first 4 bar section with no delay tail at the start, then the middle 4 bars could be looped and then an extra bar (or more) would include the tail. This is usually how I create stems on the Octatrack for example, before I bring them into Ableton.

7zark7 · Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:17 am Post subject:

Wouldn't the simple workaround be to re-sample the the effected track and export the new version?

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WestLondoner · Junior Member Joined: 24 Jul 2016 Posts: 64

This - "you can record it the old fashioned way"

IOW, just to re-confirm: recording any outputted sound, with wires to the 1/4 inch outs, does indeed mean that the MFX is still included 100%.

So, it's not quite the end of the universe for just everyone.
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