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Creating my own best-of HD-1 sounds bank

 
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Liviou2004
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:35 am    Post subject: Creating my own best-of HD-1 sounds bank Reply with quote

Hello there,

As you can read on the title, my purpose is to create a best-of HD-1 sounds bank coming from various EXS banks from several third party.

Our friend Qui Robinez made a good tutorial about using "Multiple" command in Disk Mode in order to load various programs in a single user bank.
But, as regards HD-1 programs, what I want to do is creating a complete bank with samples inside and only the samples linked to the programs I save. Finaly it's a all-in-one bank I want to create

I found a process but it's very long. So I would want to know if some of you found a simple process because I didn't find any information in all the Kronos guides nor in a video.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe some computer software help process..
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are two approaches to do this:

1. Use e.g. PCGTools to establish a bank with only your desired HD-1 programs by copying pasting from other PCG's. Save as MYBANK.PCG or something

2. Now likely, those programs are linked to specific non-factory samples and third-party EXs that you have, which maybe are not in your Autoload

Option 2.a: Start with an empty KSC memory, upload your PCG bank with HD-1 programs, and go thru them one by one and "load required samples" if they are missing. Save samples as a new KSC Userbank, e.g. MYBANK: you get then MYBANK.KSC and MYBANK_Userbank.PCG

Option 2.b: KSC files are ASCII files, easy to edit. Once you have done 1 or 2 as indicated in 2a and saved the new KSC bank (because you need a new ID# for the bank), you can append this file in a text editor, adding the links to the multisamples you need; check for example the factory autoload.ksc and see how it is structured

Like that, you get your new KSC files that only contains the links to the multisamples, because the original samples stay in the original files. They should reside on your Kronos harddisk though

Note: as always, save before you start and don't overwrite existing stuff...

Hope this is clear enough

Good luck
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just an example, how a user-KSC should look like:

#KORG Script Version 1.0
#v2
#>EXS18.MS95.1.0.EXs79 Bass 4 -L
#>EXS18.MS96.1.0.EXs79 Bass 4 -R
#>Bank18.117.0.EXs19 KApro's Private Collection
#>EXS82.MS0.1.0.Clean Guitar
#>Bank82.45.0.EXs83 Kid Nepro Electric Guitars
#>EXS89.MS1.1.0.Choir 1 -L
#>EXS89.MS2.1.0.Choir 1 -R
#>Bank89.132.0.EXs90 Irish Acts KRONOS Assault
#>>uuid:f92a0872-022e-4240-90f0-46a6e791dd92.MS0.1.0.Elect Guitar Layer 1
#>>uuid:f92a0872-022e-4240-90f0-46a6e791dd92.MS1.1.0.Elect Guitar Layer 2
#>uuid:f92a0872-022e-4240-90f0-46a6e791dd92.2.42.HDD:SSD2:ProgsCombis/Sharp/ELGUITAR/ELGUITAR
#>>uuid:8f53c503-ef82-44e5-83f6-98dc724f9d52.MS0.1.2.Orinoco -L
#>>uuid:8f53c503-ef82-44e5-83f6-98dc724f9d52.MS1.1.2.Orinoco -R
#>uuid:8f53c503-ef82-44e5-83f6-98dc724f9d52.2.40.HDD:SSD2:ProgsCombis/Sharp/Orinoco/Orinoco
#>>uuid:cf30df4e-4b94-41fd-a2fb-76eb963bb114.MS2.1.2.ARP 2600 Big Saws 0
#>>uuid:cf30df4e-4b94-41fd-a2fb-76eb963bb114.MS3.1.2.ARP 2600 Big Saws 1
#>uuid:cf30df4e-4b94-41fd-a2fb-76eb963bb114.23.648.HDD:SSD2:UserSampleBanks/Arp2600/Arp2600
#>>uuid:b38f14df-9993-4027-9a5f-9a58e1707736.MS8.1.2.CW_BladeBass 0-L
#>>uuid:b38f14df-9993-4027-9a5f-9a58e1707736.MS9.1.2.CW_BladeBass 0-R
#>>uuid:b38f14df-9993-4027-9a5f-9a58e1707736.MS10.1.2.CW_BladeCS80 0-L
#>>uuid:b38f14df-9993-4027-9a5f-9a58e1707736.MS11.1.2.CW_BladeCS80 0-R
#>>uuid:b38f14df-9993-4027-9a5f-9a58e1707736.MS12.1.2.CW_BladeStrings 0-L
#>>uuid:b38f14df-9993-4027-9a5f-9a58e1707736.MS13.1.2.CW_BladeStrings 0-R
#>uuid:b38f14df-9993-4027-9a5f-9a58e1707736.14.314.HDD:SSD2:UserSampleBanks/Cakewalk/Cakewalk
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much for this very complete answer.
As soon as possible, I'll try it.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with AdDeRoo's approach of using the LOAD REQUIRED SAMPLES (Load ONLY required Samples option) as a good way to bring only the necessary samples into RAM. But I'm uncertain as to the reason for the other complexity. It seems that you could go through this method and then use DISK-->SAVE-->SAVE SAMPLING DATA and use the LINKS TO EXS and USER SAMPLE BANKS option to create a KSC with links to the correct samples and only those samples. In my experiments, it seems to work as the OP had hoped. Use the APPEND option when loading the KSC manually or just add it to AUTOLOAD.

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Busch

In principle you are right and 2a is the preferred method, but I found in several cases where the 'load required samples' does not work as desired, and the more complex 2b method is needed.

Sometimes the 'load required samples" still loads more than the single MS you want for example, and your resulting KSC gets filled with stuff you don't want. Especially if you are close to Kronos RAM limit, you want to have your KSC as compact as possible

Another case is when you are close to the Kronos RAM limit, and have let's say 10Mb left for sample memory, and you want a single Multisample from lets say EXs11. Since EXS11 requires hundreds of Mb to load, it won't let you load a single MS, even if the single MS is smaller than 10Mb = the space left

Method 2b comes also in handy when you want to delete individual MS from the KSC that you are sure you don't need.

The manual edit method needs to be done with care, and in a proper text editor (Notepad ++ is ok)

Like this, I have a 1.9 Gb 'best of everything' KSC with the Kronos only 1Mb RAM left, which streams to 30+Gb of samples, which I can use for all my studio and live work.
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