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[Sam CA]

[Sam CA]

[Sharp]

Yeah, AKAI seems to have taken all the hassle out of getting your VST's running. Seems to be a really top product. I really love what AKAI are doing lately.

I'm only going with Native Instrument because Kontakt will be my main sampler for pretty much everything, and the included software such as Action Strings and other orchestral titles seem far better than anything East West have. The lights over the keys are dead handy too to know what functions are assigned to each key.

Regards
Sharp.

[Sam CA]

[Bertotti]

Well I m going to eat my words the sale they just came out with was to much to resist. I bought Komplete 11 and from Maschine it was 199.50. Now that I have been messing with it I went ahead and paid the rest to get U. Oh well now I have the items I always wanted and it works with Logic and I believe some of it has some MPE functionality with he Rise.

As for the Novation sl Mk2 I have the 49 key and it works great. Automap is ok but it has always learned what I needed no problem. I haven't used it since I bought the Rise last year but I am pulling it back out. I figure to use it with some NI tracks the Rise on others and the Kronos on others. I think I can do that, but I have never tired before so I really don't know if I can do this in Logic. I am going to find out though.

Sharp how is it going with Komplete for you? I already had Kinetic metal but I am really enjoying Rise and Hit and Damage! Well basically everything they have listed under cinematic. So much fun!

[Sharp]

[Bertotti]

I only have a 2tb ssd and between 11u and Hauptwerk and maschine I have put a serious dent in it. It is incredible how much faster it is.

[wma]

rolad e-a7 is very goodvon the midivside although it lacks physical midi controls as transport buttons and encoders.. i find, rrading its specs and features, it is usfull for home studios for who wich to perform on a daw this arranger helps as it is very deep on its midi sends

if it was merged with the native instruments komplete s61 and featured usb audio interface i would consider it the best solution for keyboard player who uses a daw and don't want alot of messs in his room
like one afordable machine does it all

[Kevin Nolan]

[Sharp]

Thank Kevin.
Sounds fantastic.

Regards
Sharp.

[Kevin Nolan]

[Sharp]

[Kevin Nolan]

You are right of course - I think we agree on that but I think there are two points I'm making that are variants of the general point you make. Let me make these points :

1. Firstly - those sequences are VERY GOOD !!! Did you get the MIDI scores or did you actually develop them yourself. Either way - a lot of work.

2. AI - is really good - adore that score (and film) - and your version here is really nice.

3. Totally take your point on realism - however - I wager none of these use the OASYS with EXs3 installed? I'm saying - the OASYS in particular has a lot of articulations which I think, with respect, are not exploited here?

4. I've just completed the MacProVideo course "Enhancing Realism" using sample libraries by Peter Schwartz. I urge you to do that course. It reveals the depth of MIDI editing needed to make even the best sample libraries sound real.

For me for example - I own both EW Symphonic Orchestra Platinum Pro and EQ Hollywood Orchestra Diamond - and - though i'm new to this - things I tried just sounded crap (and I've written several orchestral pieces that have been recorded by symphony orchestra). The issue was - not the sample libraries - not my composing - rather the pathetic attempt I was making at rendering one of my orchestral pieces using sample libraries that prompted me to find the course I recommend (and it's sister MPV course by Peter Schwartz on setting up orchestral sample templates.

As an example of just some of the issues addressed that I was oblivious to:

- Velocity switched samples only work for percussive instruments from piano to percussion... - and mostly NOT in realistic way for woodwind, brass and strings

- Many sample libraries only use velocity switching on percussive instruments and not velocity crossfading

- Managing Dynamic crossfading of woodwind, brass and strings using CC1 & 11 for phrase expression

- Managing key switching for articulation switching

- Managing volume modulation using CC7 when instruments don't have dynamic crossfaded samples

- Combining velocity, keyswitched and dynamic cross faded samples of the same instrument or section to enhance realism

- Creating legato using the Piano-Roll editor (start and end points of each note overlapping)

- Managing the Attack and Release of notes - on a per note basis in a score

- Managing round-robin samples

- Combining sample libraries with all of the above to enhance realism...

... and on and on and on


Top composers rendering realistic sample library scores are expert at MIDI editing and construction of their scores across countless dozens if not hundreds of tracks.


The point being - the extent of MIDI editing is enormous and with respect to your excellent work; you didn't do a fraction of that MIDI editing on those tracks - so that's a significant part of the reason they don't sound as real as they might otherwise (again - not knocking them - I tip my hat to you to be honest - and - indeed the level of MIDI editing possible on a DAW piano roll editor is beyond even the OASYS as we all know (and fought for!!) ).

So my only point is - the OASYS DOES offer a large range of quality samples, articulations and dynamics across its solo and ensemble woodwind, brass, strings and percussion - albeit not in the same way as dedicated sample libraries - but many of them are in there (and as flagged before I used the OASYS percussion to great affect for a composer / percussionist friend of mine for a TV drama who preferred the OASYS percussion to his own sample libraries - admittedly about 7-8 year ago) - so my only point was that if the effort was put in - I'm confident that an very realistic mockup could be achieved on the OASYS.

I fully acknowledge it'd be way more work than doing it on a computer - and fully acknowledge that dedicated sample libraries go far beyond the OASYS - and I fully agree with you that it does require both exquisite libraries and serious MIDI editing - but I'm saying to you that the extent of MIDI editing required is far beyond what you seem to propose even for the very best sample libraries - getting the notes in is only the start of it; while also saying that the effort Korg put in on the OASYS orchestral multisamples, programs and combi's is very high standard, even when compared to current sample libraries. The quality IS there.


But to finish - well done again on all that work. Very impressive indeed - and AI, as you present it here - is really very nice to listen to.


One last thing: the MPV course I just completed reveals that the Kronos 61 cannot reach beyond MIDI velocity 124; and is poor in the region of 1 - 50 (responds too drastically to even gentle touch in the MIDI velocity region up to 50 or so) !

Very best,
Kevin.

[Sharp]

[marc1]

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