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Behringer Model D announced
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SanderXpander
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't mind comparing the OLD mini to the Behringer D, though I haven't seen the latter yet. The old one was iconic, yes, but as Broadwave pointed out it had various design flaws and I can tell you from experience that the keyboard is incredibly shitty by modern standards. The non-spring-loaded pitchbend is another "acquired taste". One of its main selling points at the time was that it was one of the first compact (see: Keith Emerson for contrast) mass produced synths with most useful "modules" that we now consider standard on analog synths.

Modern Moogs are made to a much higher standard, although of course they mostly lack that iconic sound. If the Behringer is made well enough AND gets close to the sound, it seems a fair comparison.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kevin Nolan wrote:
As said - great debate.

Let's not turn it into a farce by comparing the Behringer D to a Minimoog. Not even trying to make a point of principle here - just - don't get silly!!


Nope. Can't agree that. Behringer can't introduce a Model D that is laid out just like a Mini, is a mono analog, and advertises itself as a nod to the original without looking at the similarities.

And it's silly to even make a statement like that- BEHRINGER is making the comparisons, so we're going to as well. It's akin to saying that we can't compare the Kronos' German grand to a Steinway, or the Japanese grand to a Yamaha. That's comparing a 3000 dollar instrument to a 90,000 instrument, and everyone does it in reviewing the sounds. Why is it okay to do that, but not with the Behringer?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I built a Minimoog clone for just over £700, and guess what... Yup, it sounds and performs EXACTLY like the real thing (I now expect someone to chip in and say it doesn't).

Behringer have forgone the casing and keybed which would obviously reduce the price of manufacture, I also presume they are building quite a few of them in their own factory which would reduce costs even further - But its the electronics that dictate the overall sound, and judging by the circuit diagrams, that's what we're getting.

I'm very, VERY confident it'll sound like the real deal. I just really need to hear some decent demos (in spite of You Tube's shocking compression) Wink


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds awesome Broadwave!

I own a new Minimoog D but fully support the efforts of Behringer, Roland/SE and others in getting variants of the instrument to the community.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow Broadwave, normally I'm quite critical concerning wannabe Mini clones, but this one really sounds VERY close or identical, as far as one can tell from these bass sounds.

Great clone you have built!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, Broadwave, that clone oozes Moog phatness, need we say anything more?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BW ... Awesome!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe Gerardi wrote:
Kevin Nolan wrote:
As said - great debate.

Let's not turn it into a farce by comparing the Behringer D to a Minimoog. Not even trying to make a point of principle here - just - don't get silly!!


Nope. Can't agree that. Behringer can't introduce a Model D that is laid out just like a Mini, is a mono analog, and advertises itself as a nod to the original without looking at the similarities.

And it's silly to even make a statement like that- BEHRINGER is making the comparisons, so we're going to as well. It's akin to saying that we can't compare the Kronos' German grand to a Steinway, or the Japanese grand to a Yamaha. That's comparing a 3000 dollar instrument to a 90,000 instrument, and everyone does it in reviewing the sounds. Why is it okay to do that, but not with the Behringer?

..Joe




I think we're interpreting what we mean by "comparing" differently.

You're right - you can make the comparison of the Kronos German Grand to an actual Steinway Grand Piano - and conclude that the Kronos sound carp by comparison - that would be the correct conclusion.

So Yep - let's compare the Behringer D to a Minimoog and equally conclude that it sound crap - again the correct conclusion.

I accept that many don't value good synths that cost more; and perhaps don't have the ear to discern the difference and hence may be actually inspired by cheap crap - but - I can assure you of this - all good and successful musicians will choose an actual Steinway Grand Piano, every time, over a Kronos sample; and a Minimoog - every time - over a Behringer D.

We can debate the "subjectiveness" of this all you want - and there are may here who seem prejudicially hell-bent on defending any old crap as "inspiring" or whatever; but history has already made its choices with the Minimoog likely the most historically important synthesizer of all time. If the Behringer D claims that spot, I'll consider the alternative argument; but until then I think we can put this particular debate to bed.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering all the comments and opinions; I do not think I will be trading my Mini-Moog model D for a Behringer D anytime soon. First of all the Behringer is physically smaller and it is a copy or emulation of an original. I think the original will always be prized because it simply is that. Original, popular and iconic. Why else would Behringer create a copy? Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not in the market for a model D Moog but if the Behringer sounds good on its own, and the price is right, I won't be discouraged because it isn't a Moog. All I need is a sound I like, I could care less if it was a Moog inspired copy or if it is 100% the same.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With identical or nearly identical components, there is no reason it would sound any less good than the Moog. The MiniMoog is iconic but ultimately there is nothing magical or even particularly high tech in the construction.
Obviously it will never have the same historical value.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kevin Nolan wrote:
So Yep - let's compare the Behringer D to a Minimoog and equally conclude that it sound crap - again the correct conclusion.


And you know this how? How many hours have you spent on the Behringer Model D programming it to find out its capabilities? What are you basing your opinions on? A couple of YouTube videos? By your own admission on another forum you don't program synths well - a la the fully-loaded K2500Xs, yet having NEVER written a single program for it in all those years of ownership - so how can we assume you have any expertise on an analog to coax the good sounds out of it?

Ain't no one really heard the Model D yet. It very well could sound like crap; it could also be a surprise winner. And you can write that people shouldn't make comparisons, but I seriously doubt that anyone besides yourself will take heed.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kevin Nolan wrote:
let's compare the Behringer D to a Minimoog and equally conclude that it sound crap - again the correct conclusion.


Sounds to me like you're prejudging the instrument. Or do you own one that you aren't admitting to?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SanderXpander wrote:
With identical or nearly identical components, there is no reason it would sound any less good than the Moog. The MiniMoog is iconic but ultimately there is nothing magical or even particularly high tech in the construction.
Obviously it will never have the same historical value.


Agreed. Shouldn't be that controversial. It will undoubtedly sound closer to a Mini than my Voyager did.

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burningbusch wrote:

Agreed. Shouldn't be that controversial. It will undoubtedly sound closer to a Mini than my Voyager did.


No! You can't say that! How can we live in a world where the magic MOOG icon doesn't make things sound better? It's not possible! Say it ain't so!

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