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keyofZ
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK
I have found out from pretty reliable sources.
The PA1000. Has the Same Keybed as the PA900.
This is from people. That Shot Demo video for the PA1000. They compared the 2 prior to shooting the videos. And Were told They were the same. By the Korg Rep.
So For $2000. You get a Just useable. But Sub Standard Keybed.
Adapting to Keybeds.
God! You need to try a Montage 6 or 7(The new Genos. Supposedly has the Same Keybed spacing! Yuck!)
It is Spaced very tight. Sound on Sound. Called out Yamaha on this idiocy.
That Keybed. Is Missing. A Whole 1" per 5 octaves. Compared to Korg keyboards.
The Big problem Arises. When You try to play . Another keyboard Besides the montage 6/7. You miss hitting Black keys correctly for 2 days.
So Yes. I Know about adapting. I do it Every week. But I have started to use a controller on the Montage(Even though. I love the Feel.). Because. It is Just to much of an adjustment.
But Yea. Now that I have found the answer about the PA1000. (Which I am waiting for Korg.)
This really is my last post out here or any forum. People Just Cannot Stay on subject. On any Forum.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

God!

Do you expect Pa1000 to have a Pa4x kebed? Or more to the point, how many type of keybed do you think they'd carry?

Of course Pa1000 is replacement for Pa900. What would you expect from that? It is a middle line model after all.

And before you think I used unapropriate tone... just remember to take a discussion well, with a positive aproach. No one is here to be bad. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey men , be cool !!!
I just want to know from forum users , those have in signature PA 1000/700 , if keybeds are the same with older .... But they don't answer Smile . ok , it is secret Smile .... I will buy pa1000 and a midi keyboard ( arturia keylab ) ....
Cool Smile all are ok Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Lika, actually that might be a good idea! Smile

Come to think about it, I guess you might be better off with a proper weighted (if this would be your prefferance) keybed, as no synth action will ever be that.

On the other hand, even a less weighted keybed can be quite dynamic and sometimes is actually better for having a play with something else then piano sounds...

For instance, for doing a guitar part on keyboard, I find much easier with lighter keybed (some would call that a c**p keybed) just because the sheer dynamics are better achieved.

Anyway, I think there is a adaptation element to it anyway. Every keyboard is different.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Cool Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was actually hoping the PA1000 might have a faster, less weighted keyboard. I was never a piano player, and my aging hands are more comfortable on light-weight keys.
As much as most people hate the flimsy key bed on Yamaha PSR series, I like it as it is easy on my hands when playing full time every night.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonM wrote:
I was actually hoping the PA1000 might have a faster, less weighted keyboard. I was never a piano player, and my aging hands are more comfortable on light-weight keys.
As much as most people hate the flimsy key bed on Yamaha PSR series, I like it as it is easy on my hands when playing full time every night.


I can certainly understand that. I have found that in my 42 years of playing, my hands have gotten even stronger though. I have been very fortunate to not have any arthritic issues (yet) or carpal tunnel issues (like Keith Emerson had) that would require surgery. In fact, I think that my posterior gets tired well before my hands do Smile I play up to 6 hours a day in my business.

With the PA series (and with every other arranger out there), you can lighten the touch sensitivity to where it can be better for you too. You may find that will eliminate many issues.

I am reminded of when, recently, I was considering the Yamaha MX88 as an addition to my studio. When I played it at the local music store, it seemed too heavy to play and it was very dull. I went into the settings and changed the touch sensitivity to have a lighter touch response and for me, the keyboard just came alive. It was a joy to play and I connected to the piano sounds much more easily. I ended up getting a Lowrey (Kawai) instead ($350 new versus $999 new for the MX88), but it was amazing how much difference it made. It was like someone took the blanket off the thing...

The lighter action of the PA700 seems fine to me for my gigs each day in the nursing homes. I think that I consider the full package of the keyboard for its portability, weight, etc...especially when playing multiple jobs each day like I do.

I would love to have the PA700 in an 88-key weighted format but I kind of already have that when I control it from one of my weighted units.

I do sometimes think that all of this emphasis being placed on the technical aspects of something like this takes us away from our primary goal; making and playing music Smile

Grace,
Harry
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Harry,
I have the settings as light as they will go, and I'm still getting by, but I can foresee the day when I'll need lighter action.
I had to turn down a great job offer at a casino because they wanted me to play their grand piano. I practiced for a couple of days, and was in tremendous pain. No way I would have lasted a week on that job!
For now the PA4X is close to perfect for me though. I'll use it as long as possible.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonM wrote:
Thanks Harry,
I have the settings as light as they will go, and I'm still getting by, but I can foresee the day when I'll need lighter action.
I had to turn down a great job offer at a casino because they wanted me to play their grand piano. I practiced for a couple of days, and was in tremendous pain. No way I would have lasted a week on that job!
For now the PA4X is close to perfect for me though. I'll use it as long as possible.


I have heard great things about the PA4X keyboard. It's kind of out of my price range though.
Before buying the PA700, I was using the Roland E-09 for about 12 years and its action was pretty light and good too. It was time to upgrade. I also had a PA500 for a while too but sold it. I am very happy with the PA700 and the sounds that it makes.

Grand pianos can be a bit unforgiving on their action too, and rightfully so. I have played old reconditioned Steinways and it almost hurt after playing one for an hour or so. Yamaha's were a bit better. I really like the Kawai actions for both piano and digital piano. They are really good.

Grace,
Harry
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi .
I am happy to hear (read) you ,. Yes for me is better lighter keys respond but no pour keys Sad , I had korg i3 and i30 .... Those keyboards had keybed Smile .... But we never will have again keybeds like those !!!
Now I would like to pa700/1000 to have keys with springs at list Smile , because keys of pa600/900 were just plastic , if some key breaks you have to replace 5 or 7 keys !!! Not good Smile ....
That's all .... Smile
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