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Gargamel314 Platinum Member
Joined: 25 Dec 2007 Posts: 1147 Location: Carneys Point, NJ
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:01 am Post subject: Kronos Audio Tracks |
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Question for you,
Your audio tracks that are in SEQ mode, is the audio data loaded into RAM, or is it streamed off of the SSD? Does it subtract from the Kronos's Sample RAM? _________________ Korg Kronos-61, 01/Wfd, SONAR Pro |
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:27 am Post subject: Re: Kronos Audio Tracks |
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Gargamel314 wrote: | Question for you,
Your audio tracks that are in SEQ mode, is the audio data loaded into RAM, or is it streamed off of the SSD? Does it subtract from the Kronos's Sample RAM? |
on the audio sampling page, we have either choice.
But since SSD is larger, I stream from SSD/DISK. Many of the Songs I convert to WAV or over 5 minutes, so its safer to go with SSD. _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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Gargamel314 Platinum Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:57 am Post subject: |
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Thank you, kindly. _________________ Korg Kronos-61, 01/Wfd, SONAR Pro |
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GregC Platinum Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Gargamel314 wrote: | Thank you, kindly. |
one more thought- might not be accurate.
Available RAM helps polyphony is my thought.
As you lay down multiple tracks and more FX , polyphony gets used.
Some of the Programs are hungry for note polyphony. This part is accurate
from my experience. _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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LZ Platinum Member
Joined: 02 May 2007 Posts: 590 Location: St. Louis, MO
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's a bit more complex than that as it depends on the engine, correct? For instance, HD-1 programs are more limited by sample memory and/or streaming from SSD, where as some of the modelling engines are more limited by CPU power. Some are a combination since they use samples AND modelling. So I think it depends on the combinations of engines being used that will dictate whether the limitations are due to RAM, CPU, or both, right? _________________
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GregC Platinum Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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LZ wrote: | I think it's a bit more complex than that as it depends on the engine, correct? For instance, HD-1 programs are more limited by sample memory and/or streaming from SSD, where as some of the modelling engines are more limited by CPU power. Some are a combination since they use samples AND modelling. So I think it depends on the combinations of engines being used that will dictate whether the limitations are due to RAM, CPU, or both, right? |
right you are.
All these factors start to add up when recording multiple tracks (up to 16) in the SEQ. Using multiple engines , heavy FX at the same time etc, etc _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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SeedyLee Platinum Member
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 1371 Location: Perth, Australia
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:01 am Post subject: |
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Audio tracks are always played directly from the SSD.
In-track Sampling, by default, is always played from RAM - though these can be converted to user streaming banks. _________________ Current Equipment:
Korg Kronos 2 88, Reface CS, Roland JV-1080, TE OP1, Moog Subsequent 37, Korg ARP Odyssey, Allen & Heath Zed 18, Adam F5, MOTU MIDI Express XT, Lexicon MX200 & MPX1, Yamaha QY700, Yamaha AW16G, Tascam DP008ex, Zoom H6, Organelle, Roland J6 & JU06A
Previous: Triton LE 61/Sampling/64MB/4GB SCSI, MS2000BR, Kronos 1 61, Monotribe, NanoKontrol, NanoKeys, Kaossilator II, Casio HT3000, Roland VP-03, Reface DX, Novation Mininova, MPC One |
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LZ Platinum Member
Joined: 02 May 2007 Posts: 590 Location: St. Louis, MO
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:16 am Post subject: |
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SeedyLee wrote: | Audio tracks are always played directly from the SSD.
In-track Sampling, by default, is always played from RAM - though these can be converted to user streaming banks. |
So playing audio tracks uses NO ram? I would think it would have to at least for buffering. Even in HD1 when you select the _userbank.ksc file that streams, it still uses some RAM. I would have to think audio tracks use SOME at least. Maybe DanAtKorg can answer. _________________
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SeedyLee Platinum Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:50 am Post subject: |
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Well, if you want to be technical then yes, the audio tracks will use some amount of RAM, but I'd be willing to bet the buffers are statically assigned, rather than dynamically, and using audio tracks won't cause your RAM usage to increase at all.
Put it this way, you can fill the sample RAM to 100% capacity and you can still use the audio tracks in the sequencer _________________ Current Equipment:
Korg Kronos 2 88, Reface CS, Roland JV-1080, TE OP1, Moog Subsequent 37, Korg ARP Odyssey, Allen & Heath Zed 18, Adam F5, MOTU MIDI Express XT, Lexicon MX200 & MPX1, Yamaha QY700, Yamaha AW16G, Tascam DP008ex, Zoom H6, Organelle, Roland J6 & JU06A
Previous: Triton LE 61/Sampling/64MB/4GB SCSI, MS2000BR, Kronos 1 61, Monotribe, NanoKontrol, NanoKeys, Kaossilator II, Casio HT3000, Roland VP-03, Reface DX, Novation Mininova, MPC One |
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Liviou2004 Platinum Member
Joined: 20 Feb 2017 Posts: 1150 Location: France
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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When you are quite sure of some tracks of your song in seq, it is possible to resample them to a stereo audio track. Doing that, you free up polyphony, ram and, in a way, some effect slots. |
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Wagnergrad96 Full Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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I wasn't aware that .WAV files would even play off of a thumb drive.
I back up all of my songs onto a thumb drive. When I want to tinker with them, I have to copy them back to the hard drive. |
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Wagnergrad96 wrote: | I wasn't aware that .WAV files would even play off of a thumb drive.
I back up all of my songs onto a thumb drive. When I want to tinker with them, I have to copy them back to the hard drive. |
If the Seq SONG has a WAV, and you are playing the SONG on your Kronos, I am fairly sure that WAV part has to be on the SSD, since it is streamed. _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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GregC Platinum Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Liviou2004 wrote: | When you are quite sure of some tracks of your song in seq, it is possible to resample them to a stereo audio track. Doing that, you free up polyphony, ram and, in a way, some effect slots. |
Aware of this, but I don't like this from a 'workaround , or work flow process. "
Its time consuming and involves several extra steps.
due to the creative process, and the use of certain CPU intensive Programs, its not easily predictable what I will run into building a 16 track song.
anyway, I bought a 2nd keyboard and looking into recording on Cubase in an effort to solve the limitations and improve work flow. _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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