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Microstation vs. Kross 2

 
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Scott
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:47 pm    Post subject: Microstation vs. Kross 2 Reply with quote

I am considering replacing my Microstation with a Kross 2 as my super-portable board. It's 3.8 kg instead of 2.6, but it's got full-size keys and it runs on batteries, plus I like wheels better than joystick (and the two assignable buttons), and it has an updated sound set and nicer display. But there are trade-offs, like only 2 knobs instead of 4, and it seems like the 16 buttons can't be used to select a timbre in a combi (or track in a song). I was wondering if anyone else looked into this and came up with other significant differences, in particular anything I might lose when going to the Kross.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Microstation vs. Kross 2 Reply with quote

Korg 2 is a newer machine. That's why it's better. The keys are bigger, so if you have the place you give them, take Kross. Knoby just 2? But there's more switching options, so you'll make it. Sounds cleaner, especially piano. Personally, I would have been, by you, downloaded the manual and looked at what sets it up, it will give you a picture of what Kross can do. I like my microSTATION, it suits me, but Kross's sound is better. I look into the instructions and try to write some insights here. But I do not have a personal experience with Kross.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Microstation vs. Kross 2 Reply with quote

Layer and Split Button ... That's great, in MS before you set Layer, it does take that. I've solved this with a preset preset in Combi and I just change the tools, but the separate buttons are good. Audio in in. Next + / Audio recorder - Equally export to WAV file / drum track for programs. / TAP button to change tempo. / USB audio interface. Through the line in to the computer, the noise is sounding a noise, but via USB it is absolutely pure transmission with minimal latency. / Microphone In / Clear Display. / Favorites Functions / And the best thing is that everything you've learned with MS, you can use it all - I'm talking about editing. / You do not need a computer for editing / what is more to convince you? Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. The thing is, newer isn't always better. Wink I was surprised to find that the Kross' 16 buttons couldn't do the things that the Microstation's buttons can do, so that's why I don't want to assume anything. Yes, I've downloaded the manuals, but with an operating guide that's about 150 pages (and a parameter guide that's 300+ more), well, you can probably see why I wanted to ask about what's people's experiences might have been. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Microstation vs. Kross 2 Reply with quote

arpegiator1 wrote:

Layer and Split Button ... That's great

Yes, that's a nice Kross2 feature, though the implementation of the Split is kind of backwards. Once you do a Split, you can easily change the timbre/volume/octave of the left sound, but as far as I could see, you can't swap the display to allow you to just as easily change the timbre/volume/octave of the right sound. And in the middle of a song, I'm much more likely to need to change my right hand sound than my left! This is one big advantage of the Roland DS61, where you can easily adjust these parameters for either side of a split on the fly. But the DS is a bit bigger and heavier, and I'm already pushing things going up from the Microstation to the Kross! (Roland also has an advantage in seamless sound transitions, while Kross2 has the sequencer, among other differences.)

I'm also looking at how well these boards work in conjunction with an iPad, and it turns out that this is another significant difference between the Kross and Microstation. Both are good at calling up external sounds (the EX2 function). But in terms of control, the Kross 2 knobs can each send out either of 2 MIDI CCs, for a total of 4 possible parameter controls, two at a time. (They are fixed, but you should be able to redefine them on the receiving end as needed.) The 4 Microstation knobs can each send out either of 2 fixed MIDI CCs plus one user-definable MIDI CC, for a total of 12 possible parameter controls, four at a time, so the Microstation has the advantage here. (And the Roland is weakest of the three at calling up external sounds, but probably strongest at controlling them, with 4 definable knobs which can each have 2 user-definable CCs assigned, plus 4 user-definable sliders for a total of 12 possible parameter controls, either 4 or 8 at a time depending on which mode you're in. The Roland can also send MIDI CC commands from its pads, I don't think the Kross can.)
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Microstation vs. Kross 2 Reply with quote

Buying a new tool usually gets something new and you lose something. We buy the tools in this price range and they will never have everything we imagine. That is why we are looking for a compromise to make the most of it. In our country (I am from Czech), what kind of wheelbase can be bought over the Internet within 14 days can be returned without giving any reason. You have 14 days to explore the plus and minus and return the keys if they do not suit you. Or visit some music shops where the instrument is exposed and explored or asked. Or directly contact the manufacturer or distributor. That's what I'm supposed to do. Good luck.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I found another feature loss in going from the Microstation to the Kross 2... you can't use the 16 buttons for patch selection, either to pick sounds in the current bank or as numeric entry. This means two things: More scrolling to access sounds (that are not already registered as favorites), and also, no more ability to change from one favorite Program to another without having the sound cut off. On the Microstation, I could create banks of favorite programs, and use the 16 buttons to switch among them freely without the sound cutting out. On the Kross 2, a different method is used to assign the buttons to Favorites, and now even if you assign only Progams (not Combis), you can no longer switch from one to another without the sound cutting out. Sad It looks like the original Kross worked the same way.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Win for Microstation drum roll please trrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr kching.
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