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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:24 pm Post subject: Would like to Copy all Karma Scenes from Program into SEQ |
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I googled, youTubed my question. Not finding it.
I am working on Bass Guitar Programs , in Program mode.
Many of the Programs have multiple Karma Scenes , up to 8.
In Program mode, its easy to switch scenes , press any button, 1-8,
in the row titled Mix/Play/Mute - Karma Scenes
Only 1 module is used, Module A.
When I copy the entire Program into the SEQ, not so easy.
I only get 1 scene. Lets say its a new Song, # 000
I can see the conflict. SeQ wants to control the same 8
buttons, for midi channels 1-8 in the new Song.
I want to have all 8 scenes to play the various Karma Scenes
for Bass Guitar Program.
I thought I could copy in Scene 5 ( for example) in Midi
Channel 2 ( like having a 2nd bass guitar part) . And
have Channel 2 as a the same Bass Program.
Not working.
Whats a good way to bring all the Karma scenes into the SEQ ?
I have a dumb work around. I have 2 Songs (000, 001) in SEQ mode.
I can play my Scene 5 in Song 001, then copy measures from
001 into 000. Seems awkward .
Copying the Program into Combi mode gives the same result-
Only 1 Karma scene, same button conflict( I guess) in that mode.
Appreciate your help on this. Thanks
Greg _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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AntonySharmman Approved Merchant
Joined: 16 Oct 2010 Posts: 3595 Location: Hellas
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:30 am Post subject: |
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Greg , although I do not use Kronos SEQ , taking a brief look at you case , I can tell you the following using Combinations , since
I do not use Karma in Programs :
- Creating a new SEQ via "Copy from Combi" (IMO this is the best option for Karma Scenes) , all Karma settings/scenes were working
perfectly , using very complex Karma settings I use for WavesArt premium libraries.
- Copying Karma setting in an already existing SEQ with initialized Karma using "Copy Karma Module" option from specific Combi , I checked
all boxes and copied all A to A up to D to D.
In this case I had to manually set MIDI I/O settings and also set Karma switches for each Karma Scene , but it was a matter of less than a minute.
- Kronos Program interface is very poor in order to support Karma scenes (just 2 OSC max) , so IMO you have to create COMBI with multi-tasking
guitars Karma scenes and then recall them for sequencer use.
- If I were you , I would use the first option and then I would had transferred all midi tracks from existing Song.
Hope this helps _________________ Music Conductor - Sound Engineer & Developer - Automotive SMPS/RF R&D - Electronics Engineer
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StephenKay KARMA Developer Approved Merchant
Joined: 18 Jun 2002 Posts: 2979 Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:27 am Post subject: |
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I just tried this, I'm not sure what the problem is.
Program C081 Deep Finger Bass - has 8 different KARMA Scenes.
I went to Seq, new Song. Copy from Program C081, check the "with KARMA" box.
Turn on KARMA. Change the Control Assign Mode to RT Knobs/KARMA. Change the KARMA Module Control Layer from "M" to "A" (since each module has its own control layer).
Now play it and change Scenes. They all seem to be there. _________________ Stephen Kay - KARMA Developer • Karma-Lab - karma-lab.com
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:11 am Post subject: |
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AntonySharmman wrote: | Greg , although I do not use Kronos SEQ , taking a brief look at you case , I can tell you the following using Combinations , since
I do not use Karma in Programs :
- Creating a new SEQ via "Copy from Combi" (IMO this is the best option for Karma Scenes) , all Karma settings/scenes were working
perfectly , using very complex Karma settings I use for WavesArt premium libraries.
- Copying Karma setting in an already existing SEQ with initialized Karma using "Copy Karma Module" option from specific Combi , I checked
all boxes and copied all A to A up to D to D.
In this case I had to manually set MIDI I/O settings and also set Karma switches for each Karma Scene , but it was a matter of less than a minute.
- Kronos Program interface is very poor in order to support Karma scenes (just 2 OSC max) , so IMO you have to create COMBI with multi-tasking
guitars Karma scenes and then recall them for sequencer use.
- If I were you , I would use the first option and then I would had transferred all midi tracks from existing Song.
Hope this helps |
Hi Antony, thank you for looking into my case.
You are 100% correct. If I copy a Combi, into the SEQ. I get all the
benefit of the 'under the hood' Karma programming, all scenes, etc.
No problem with that, assuming I want to start in Combi mode.
I think I cracked the code, finally, when copying from Program mode to SEQ.
After copying(all) the Program in, In SEQ mode, I need to press 2 little buttons:
-move module control from " M " ( which is not Mustard, its manual) to
"A"
- press or activate the RT Knobs/Karma button.
My eye sight is not the greatest, so the tiny teeny labels under the buttons
didn't jump out and bite me, which is preferable for me. _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:14 am Post subject: |
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StephenKay wrote: | I just tried this, I'm not sure what the problem is.
Program C081 Deep Finger Bass - has 8 different KARMA Scenes.
I went to Seq, new Song. Copy from Program C081, check the "with KARMA" box.
Turn on KARMA. Change the Control Assign Mode to RT Knobs/KARMA. Change the KARMA Module Control Layer from "M" to "A" (since each module has its own control layer).
Now play it and change Scenes. They all seem to be there. |
Hi Stephen, thanks for posting. I finally stumbled into the extra 2 steps
required in SEQ mode.
I am set for imminent fame and fortune _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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AntonySharmman Approved Merchant
Joined: 16 Oct 2010 Posts: 3595 Location: Hellas
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:00 am Post subject: |
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GregC wrote: | -move module control from " M " ( which is not Mustard, its manual) to "A" | Usually preset Karma settings in a single Program that you had built your RT scenes are based on settings of A module
that's why I mentioned before to copy all A up to D Karma module settings and also RT Knobs tab is the essential
button of real time controlling of your scenes ... glad that you have finally found all !
Also I want to thank Stephen for being always present and helpfull for all forum members ! _________________ Music Conductor - Sound Engineer & Developer - Automotive SMPS/RF R&D - Electronics Engineer
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