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timg11 Senior Member
Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 459
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:55 pm Post subject: Reasoning behind unusual approach to detuning Timbre? |
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In the K2 factory Combi "Sordino Strings", I noticed that two of the Timbre's are detuned slightly. That is not unusual, but the way it was done is curious.
Timbre 1 has Transpose at +6, and detune at -599
Timbre 2 has Transpose at -5 and detune at -702
Timbre 3 has Transpose at +12 and detune at -1200
What is the reason for this programming? How is it different from transpose of 0, -12, and 0, and a detune of +1, -2, and zero respectively? _________________ Kronos2 73, Presonus StudioLive, Cakewalk / Sonar Platinum, Windows 10 |
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KK Platinum Member
Joined: 13 Oct 2016 Posts: 1422
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:43 am Post subject: |
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This technique is similar to the Kurzweil famous timbre shift feature (available in their K250, K1000 series and later units as well). This allows you to hear samples at whichever pitch you want, while retaining a different timbre color heard as if they were transposed at another frequency. If you experiment this technique using vocal samples, you will quickly understand what it does. |
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StephenKay KARMA Developer Approved Merchant
Joined: 18 Jun 2002 Posts: 2979 Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:05 am Post subject: |
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It also shifts the sample map. In other words, let's say a string program has a new sample every 4 notes. If you were to layer the same string program in a second timbre, at the same transpose and just detune them, it would be rather obvious that both timbres are playing the same sample with a slight detune. Artificial sounding.
However, if you transpose the second timbre by +4, and then detune by say -405, playing a note will give both timbres the same pitch, but the samples sounding will be completely different - and therefore you have sort of created a different string program from the same PCM. One timbre plays the original sample, while the second timbre plays the next sample which is pitch shifted down to be at the same pitch. _________________ Stephen Kay - KARMA Developer • Karma-Lab - karma-lab.com
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timg11 Senior Member
Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 459
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Great answers KK and Stephen. I learned a new trick and tools for working with samples. Thanks! _________________ Kronos2 73, Presonus StudioLive, Cakewalk / Sonar Platinum, Windows 10 |
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