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Triton Extreme (and Rack) Cannot edit out tremolo from organ

 
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mfecher



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:43 am    Post subject: Triton Extreme (and Rack) Cannot edit out tremolo from organ Reply with quote

Newby here.
Want to get humble reed style organ sound. Started with "Reed Organ." Noticed a kind of rotor-speaker, tremolo, oscillating motion in sound. Fine for Pads and other organ sounds--not here. Cannot edit it out. Am using SoundTower's editor for big picture. Tried clarinet, oboe, etc wave forms. Turned off all LFOs. Flat lined envelopes. Not panning different oscillators criss cross. Smooth Hall Reverb the only effect. Paid $ for JustAsk technician to suggest a bad capacitor in the power supply. Both Triton Extreme and Triton Rack do same thing. Don't think both of them have same bad capacitor.
Also, this sound is affected by velocity which I don't want. Want traditional pedal volume control but static velocity response. Can't find out how to zero out velocity. Haven't spent as much time on that as the tremolo. Can anyone help me?
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Martin
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to zero velocity by going into each page for Amp, Filter, LFO etc, and manually set any velocity tase to 0.

I would love a global or program velocity off function, but dont think its possible.

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mfecher



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks a lot for that answer about zeroing the velocity, John. I will work on that.

Any idea why I seem to have global motion in my sound no matter what I do?
I am striving for pure straight note. Then if I want motion of some kind like rotor/tremolo/vibrato to be able to add it a little at a time in the way I want it.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ mfecher -- ditto what johnxyz said.

You kind of have to look at the program level to see where modulation is built into the stock program.

One clue is that there is an AMS or alternate modulation source that says "VEL" for velocity and has a value greater than zero (it may be plus or minus) on a given parameter. I specified "VEL" because you said it gets worse as you play harder.

It could be in amp, filter, or on a panning insert effect so it may not be obvious -- you just kinda have to look.

I've done a lot of rewrites and customization of my extreme so the only 'Reed Organ' I found in mine was in the GM Section. That one has a VEL mod in the filter section. "Duh Factor" comes into play here - the GM voices are only editable if saved into a free location other than G Bank.

Good luck.

BB
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RE: modulation - That type of modulation is also found in slightly detuned wave forms. If your sound is dual oscillator, you might try single.

Also, if you're running in stereo look at insert and master effects to see if there is a chorus or panning effect with a VEL modulation built in.

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mfecher



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:39 am    Post subject: modulation Reply with quote

Thanks, BB.
Yeah, I finally did get zero velocity response. I hear what you say about dual oscillators and detuning. Hope to do a serious programming session again soon and look into that and whatever else to get pure note without "oscillating."
You are right about the Reed Organ. I took that for my starting point and put it in Bank E and in my SoundTower app. So its "Reed Organ ii" now. I have tried to make the MFX and IFX nothing but Smooth Hall Reverb. Have tried to zero out panning, lfo's, flat line envelopes. Started to wonder if its where the basic samples loop? But I have trouble believing that. Yet it does look to me like there are some assumptions about what Korg calls "initialized" programs that are more than pure basic building block elements. I might go back there and start one again to see if I stumble across something.
Much obliged.
Martin
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:09 am    Post subject: oooowaaaaoooowaaaa Reply with quote

I wonder if I were to paste all my settings here if someone would take a look at them and tell me what I'm missing. If it's not a setting, then could it be hardware? Or is it intrinsic to a sample that is looped? Can there not be a smooth, straight tone with no wobble?
What I mean is; there is this oooowaaaoooowaaa that repeats in the left hand (lower notes) and in the right hand (higher notes) a faster eeeEEYAAaaEEEeeyaAA sweeping effect that happens no matter what I do and it's driving me almost forget synths and stick to "real organs" crazy. It doesn't change the pitch. It's not panning. I have turned LFO's as off as I can. It's more like a rotor speaker volume sine wave.
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