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PAD-SYNC = the problem and fix???
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karmathanever
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:30 pm    Post subject: PAD-SYNC = the problem and fix??? Reply with quote

Hi guys

Think I've figured it out.

It seems that Korg have set all the "sequence" PADs to the sync setting "Continue" and it should be "Beat"
Just edit a Sequence Pad and change that setting and it all works fine.

Hopefully Korg will change that default setting for the PADs and supply an update.
Alternatively, we can go in and change them all ourselves.

So if you have a few specific PADs causing you the problem, just edit them and change the SYNC setting to "Beat"
That'll solve your problem in the short term.

Hope I'm right and hope this helps.

Cheers

Pete Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Pete,

Sorry to disagree, that does not fulfill the right functions of the Continued and Beat intentions and/or needs.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Ova

Thanks for responding and I may be wrong about all this.

I do understand the differences between the "Continue" and "Beat" and these work correctly according to the manual however there is no support or description (in the manual) for when you start a PAD before the style - I'd like to know what Korg's expectations would be when doing that. Everything in the manual assumes you start a PAD whilst playing the style.

Changing the PAD sync to "Continue" does at least get the PAD in "timing" sync when you play "PAD then style". It might not be 100% suitable but the PAD will be in time with the style.

If "Beat" started the PAD at the corresponding "measure-tick" then I think that is what is being requested.

I am still puzzled why one would start a PAD and then the style putting up with the PAD "restart" disruption (from a musical point of view).

Just trying to hep here as I know we all have different needs.

Wish I had a version 2.0 next to me to try this but as yet, I'm not going back.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Pete,

Depending on one's needs, what you suggest might do the job, at least temporarily.
The way I use the pads are as follows. If the style is on, and I need a pad to merge in anywhere in the time frame, I'll use a Contined Pad. However if I need a pad that must start at the beginning of the next bar, I'll use a Beat Pad.

Now for other scenarios such as an intro where the singer sings on a guitar or a piano chords, I use pads to do the background and fill up with other sounds on the right hand. And where the rhythm starts, in that given song, I need the style to sync exactly with the pads, but in this case the style's start point has to dominate since I have to follow the singer, and not always are they on time, even micro seconds can and will sound out of beat, as it is right now.

I really hope Korg will fix this issue with V3, it wasn't the case with V2.

Thanks again for your inputs.

Avo
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ova wrote:
Hi Pete,

Depending on one's needs, what you suggest might do the job, at least temporarily.
The way I use the pads are as follows. If the style is on, and I need a pad to merge in anywhere in the time frame, I'll use a Contined Pad. However if I need a pad that must start at the beginning of the next bar, I'll use a Beat Pad.

Now for other scenarios such as an intro where the singer sings on a guitar or a piano chords, I use pads to do the background and fill up with other sounds on the right hand. And where the rhythm starts, in that given song, I need the style to sync exactly with the pads, but in this case the style's start point has to dominate since I have to follow the singer, and not always are they on time, even micro seconds can and will sound out of beat, as it is right now.

I really hope Korg will fix this issue with V3, it wasn't the case with V2.

Thanks again for your inputs.

Avo
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Avo

Am fully understanding this now.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

karmathanever wrote:
Thanks Avo

Am fully understanding this now.

Pete Very Happy


I have the same use case als Avo. I often start pads like "gtr. steel str." before starting the style. this is an excellent opportunity so start "small and soft" when singing. Sync does not work! The next massive bug.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I now understand but I also do exactly the same - start songs with just gentle PADs and then bring in the style - I guess I have never brought in the style "out of time" with the PAD so never noticed this.

My work around (changing the sync parameter) will fix this temporarily but the PAD will still not sync to the exact same "tick" within the style's measure (per the manual's terminology) but it will be in time with the style.

Hopefully this will get resolved for you.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Video solution of pad bug


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done and thanks ebuzer52 for putting my suggestion into a video - I'm sure this will help others get through their gigs etc without any worry of out-of-sync disasters.

It's a shame that there is no PAD editor to do this for multiple "sequence" PADs


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

karmathanever wrote:
Well done and thanks ebuzer52 for putting my solution into a video - I'm sure this will help others get through their gigs etc without any worry of out-of-sync disasters.

It's a shame that there is no PAD editor to do this for multiple "sequence" PADs


Take care

Pete Very Happy


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP9vv1uzlZE

That's the real problem with Pad Sync.

why korg does not listen and solve the problems of its users??
I use the keyboard 100% of its potency in style play mode and I need it to work. It does not interest me if advocates find solutions to problems. The solution to this "professional keyboard" is to have no problems and be solved as quickly as possible.

not to mention other serious problems that affect the performance of musicians who make this their profession.

Korg pa3x please come back.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually it was me who suggested the fix from the beginning. Check the original post. You're welcome
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any news about whether the new v3.1 has addressed this or substituted new factory resources with the ‘Beat’ setting restored as default?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Any news about whether the new v3.1 has addressed this or substituted new factory resources with the ‘Beat’ setting restored as default?

Update and try it... Very Happy
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