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h_kara
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 Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:27 pm Post subject: PA1000 External Sound Controller |
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Hi Guys,
Ive been researching everywhere online and in stores and have not been able to find a solution to this setup im trying to create.
I want to be able to use an external controller to assign various sounds of the PA1000 by pressing a pad or switch. E.g:
Pad/Switch 1 - Piano
Pad/Switch 2 - Strings
Pad/Switch 3 - User sound
etc etc etc ...
Ideally I would also want to be able to control the volume of each sound aswell..
I play middle eastern music and alot of songs have multiple instrument parts playing different sounds. Need to switch between sounds very quickly.
Im hoping someone has already done this or can think of a way to do it and can recommend an external controller capable of what Im trying to do ...
Thanks in advance for any suggestions. |
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Randelph
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| Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:36 am Post subject: |
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There's some useful info on page 874 in the manual for the Pa1000. Sorry, I've never done what you're describing with any board, but the way they talk about it it sounds like its very doable. Do you have a Pa1000?
Hopefully someone will provide some answers, I'd like to know as well. You could also post your question in the Pa4x part of the forum. There's considerably more folks that frequent it and AFAIK, MIDI operations should be identical with it and the Pa1000/700.
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Musicwithharry
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| Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: PA1000 External Sound Controller |
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| h_kara wrote: | Hi Guys,
Ive been researching everywhere online and in stores and have not been able to find a solution to this setup im trying to create.
I want to be able to use an external controller to assign various sounds of the PA1000 by pressing a pad or switch. E.g:
Pad/Switch 1 - Piano
Pad/Switch 2 - Strings
Pad/Switch 3 - User sound
etc etc etc ...
Ideally I would also want to be able to control the volume of each sound aswell..
I play middle eastern music and alot of songs have multiple instrument parts playing different sounds. Need to switch between sounds very quickly.
Im hoping someone has already done this or can think of a way to do it and can recommend an external controller capable of what Im trying to do ...
Thanks in advance for any suggestions. |
I found this video a couple of weeks ago and do not know if it is in production, but I imagine this would be what you are looking for. I know that I would love to have one of these things myself...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYldQGoMqF4
You may also be able to use the Korg Kontrol or NanoKontrol to do that same thing, but it is larger but I believe that it is assignable. I plan on getting one in the near future and see if it will do what I want it to do.
https://www.korg.com/us/products/computergear/nanokontrol2/
Grace,
Harry
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Randelph
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:48 am Post subject: |
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MwH,
In the first link it's labeled Pa1000, I would think it would work identically with the Pa700. I imagine the oriental version wouldn't allow you to mount it like they did in the video. Any idea on cost? It looks like the switches are assigned to Fill 1-4, I wonder what that means- Variations 1-4? That would be redundant.
The NanoControl looks very cool. Alot of functionality with a small footprint, and at $65 it's an impulse buy. I like sliders better for volume control than knobs.
Uh oh. Just looked at the website and all they talk about is its use with an iPad or computer, and it's usb powered. Close to 13" wide and 3 1/4" deep, which means it hangs over the edge of the board by 3" and intrudes on the speaker.
Browsed the 47 reviews on Sweetwater and not one mention using with a keyboard. Daniel Fisher controls his Minimoog with it, but first it has to go thru a computer.
Oh well, nice try. Perhaps the first device could use the buttons to select different sounds like the OP wants.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:06 am Post subject: |
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Behringer FCB1010 if you are happy to have foot controller
https://www.behringer.com/Categories/Behringer/Accessories/Midi-Foot-Controllers/FCB1010/p/P0089
I used mine to select sounds and styles on my PA keyboards.
There is a great PC editor for it too (free)
Cheers
Pete 
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| Randelph wrote: | MwH,
In the first link it's labeled Pa1000, I would think it would work identically with the Pa700. I imagine the oriental version wouldn't allow you to mount it like they did in the video. Any idea on cost? It looks like the switches are assigned to Fill 1-4, I wonder what that means- Variations 1-4? That would be redundant.
The NanoControl looks very cool. Alot of functionality with a small footprint, and at $65 it's an impulse buy. I like sliders better for volume control than knobs.
Uh oh. Just looked at the website and all they talk about is its use with an iPad or computer, and it's usb powered. Close to 13" wide and 3 1/4" deep, which means it hangs over the edge of the board by 3" and intrudes on the speaker.
Browsed the 47 reviews on Sweetwater and not one mention using with a keyboard. Daniel Fisher controls his Minimoog with it, but first it has to go thru a computer.
Oh well, nice try. Perhaps the first device could use the buttons to select different sounds like the OP wants. |
I do not have any information on the device in the video I posted. You can probably move the device anywhere you want to; the logical place to mount it is where the Korg logo is on the front. It will work the same on the PA700 as it dos the PA1000.
I am not sure how one would switch sounds, as the touch screen seems to do that just fine. You would need MIDI program #'s to change them, so the GUI in the screen would be better. The reason I posted the link to the video is because it would solve the volume changing issues because of the knobs. I know that changing volumes of the different parts from the screen can get a bit fiddly when performing live. This unit is powered by USB and both the PA700 and PA1000 will power it and be controlled from it.
This brings me to the Korg NanoKontrol. I believe that it would do the same thing. Yes, it has a bit more size to it, but it also has faders, and that would allow for more parts to control. It too is controlled by USB, so I am pretty sure that the PA700 or PA1000 would power it and be controlled from it.
I am going to get one of the NanoKontrol units in the next few weeks, so I will be able to tell everyone for sure if/how it works.
The only real way to change programs that would work really well is to do it from the screen, especially live. Maybe the user could create different keyboard sets that would work better. Maybe those can be chosen through MIDI program changes. Maybe the STS entries can be changed via MIDI as well and the user would be able to select up to 4 per style. Maybe that would be enough for each song, I do not know.
If the PA1000 is using its outputs to go to an external PA, then the size of the NanoKontrol is not really an issue. It may extend into the speaker grill a bit but if the speakers are not activated, then it is just more real estate for use with controllers and such. Maybe an iPad holder can be installed on the keyboard stand to hold the NanoKontrol or something 
Grace,
Harry
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Pete, did you buy a different eprom for it than what it came with? And is there a way for one user to give another user the set-up that you came up with to accomplish what you want? Could be that the OP would be able to use that as is or as a starting point. Have to say, with as challenging the Pa1000 has been for me to learn, getting another piece of complicated tech is not something I'd look forward to programming.
Are you no longer using it? I suppose with a Pa4x and a EC5? you'd have alot of control already, but I'm surprised that the TOTL board only has 1 switch/sustain and 1 expression pedal. You'd need the fcb1010 if you wanted more sweep pedals.
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Musicwithharry
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Well, that stinks
Thank you for the link. I will e-mail Korg and see what they say. That really squashes some of the functionality for external controllers...
I was making my assumption based on the fact that I can charge my iPhone from the USB port...
I guess I was wrong. I will post Korg's answer if they give me one...
Grace,
Harry
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Yeah, it doesnt make sense that it wouldnt work, but you'd need a computer/ipad to set the values.
I wouldn't trade the onboard speakers for more room, but it sure would be handy! If they only made the Pa1000 a 76 note board....
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Hey Scott, good to see you on this forum!
Of the devices I looked at in your links, they are reliant on a power supply for that MIDI host box. Which means another wall wart and the box itself to deal with.
So... the NanoK2 generates a control message over USB to the MIDI host box, which then sends the control message thru its MIDI sockets to the keyboard.
Then, the keyboard sends control messages back out thru the keyboards MIDI out ports, which then is sent BACK to the MIDI host box, which then goes back to the NanoK2 thru the USB.
Right?
As much as the NanoK2 looks appealing, esp for controlling the volume of Upper 1-3 and various accompaniment parts (select Track button), esp drums and bass, it doesn't really fit on the top panel, it protrudes 3" off the end of the side, and a coupla inches into the speaker area.
If I was to got that route, I'd probably install a velcro board that lifted the NanoK2 a 1/2" above the speaker and panel. I imagine that'd hardly affect the sound at all given that the tweeter would not be blocked.
Given the extra room in my keyboard case, I'd probably velcro mount the USB Host box to the back of the keyboard and leave it setup with the cables in place.
OTOH, the FCB1010 looks very appealing as well. Having two foot pedals would be sweet!
Randy
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| Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, all devices that adapt a USB-only device to communicate with a non-computer do require their own power/wall-wart.
You can also make this "conversion" using the tiny computers that are in smartphones/tablets.  Those devices similarly need to be powered, whether via their battery or their AC adapter.
| Randelph wrote: | So... the NanoK2 generates a control message over USB to the MIDI host box, which then sends the control message thru its MIDI sockets to the keyboard.
Then, the keyboard sends control messages back out thru the keyboards MIDI out ports, which then is sent BACK to the MIDI host box, which then goes back to the NanoK2 thru the USB.
Right? |
The first part is right. AFAIK, the NanoK does not include any functionality where it would be looking for anything back from the keyboard. |
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