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Mike Conway
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| Dniss wrote: |
I watched your videos with interest in the past. Even more so lately now that I got myself a DM12... I should receive it in the next 10 days or so. Ordered it 3 months ago. I really like the sounds, the pads, the whole architecture. I'll get that and the Behringer Model D. |
Wow, 3 months. I'm surprised it is taking that long. The Model D is nice. Have you seen the Poly D? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lx-9mLB1V0
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Did you try to connect your DM12 into Kronos analog entries and :
1) Sample it
2) Use Kronos FX
3) use it in EXi engines wich accept analog inputs and treat the signal with Kronos filters (AL-1, MOD-7 or STR-1) ? |
I've run the Boog through the Kronos FX. I have sampled the DM12, and have recorded it quite a bit on the Kronos HD recorder. I haven't run it through any Kronos engines. |
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Dniss
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike Conway wrote: |
Wow, 3 months. I'm surprised it is taking that long. The Model D is nice. Have you seen the Poly D? |
It would have been much faster on Amazon, but I want to encourage my local music store, which I've used for decades.
The Poly D didn't strike a chord with me. The Moog Matriarch, that's another story...Prbly my next purchase. |
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Lightbringer
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| Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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I am nuts on Kronos drums. You know the story, drums make the song.
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This is what my drummer buddy tells me. 
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I think its important to find a groove. I always need a drum part to be my time keeper.
For most of my songs, I use 3 separate midi tracks for drums. I often use 2 diff patterns for a song. My 3rd midi drum part is for cymbals and a few simple rolls. I also run 2 drum kits together, and use keyboard zone to exclude noisey percussion like too many bells or claps.
I also have a drummer friend in my song 'jury'. He approves of my approach and has good suggestions.
I know many of the patterns sound 'electronic ' . I try to over come that and drive to a more live feel.
My songs frequently have stops, intros, distinct endings and transitions. My drum work has to either support this or instigate it.
Some folks are opposed to 1 measure stops, and are opposed to an 8 measure changeup. I make this work by staying in tempo.
My last song, 100 Beating Hearts has most of the above steps.
I haven't even mentioned using Karma . Another level of variation. |
I think your drum tracks sound good! So it sounds like you use a lot of the built in patterns, but layer them and subtract kit pieces from each to turn them into unique beats? That's an interesting idea and one I haven't really played with yet. Thanks for the tip - worth some exploring for sure.
I don't think the built in patterns sound lifeless or mechanical, necessarily - they actually sound pretty good to me. It's just that they're static. I.e. you're going to get the same fills, accents, etc. every 8 bars and after a few of them you (the listener) pick up on that.
Now that we're talking about it, I wonder if there's a way to use the patterns for the base groove, and use Karma as kind of an accent and fill generator... that might be a killer workflow. |
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GregC
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Thanks ! Yes, I layer the kits[ and use key zone]. But not the patterns. [ to clarify]. I like some of the ambient kits as they have depth.
For my 100 BH I move or use the 2 patterns as it applies to the part of the song.
You are right , the patterns are repetitive. Some have a roll after 8 measure or 4 measures. In SEQ mode you can copy/paste he measure that has the roll, or whatever variation. That can provide a change up.
FX play a role. I mostly stick with master FX. Once in a while, I insert a delay.
Detuning/transposing drum kits in "pitch" also make a diff.
I have 2 songs that have good rhythmic variety, Mister Smoothy and Nowhere Going Fast. The songs also have more part complexity.
Generally, my drum use is basic for my songs. I trust my muse during the process on what to do when.
I like your Karma idea. The bass guitar [ ?] or bass drum [ ? }
The instruments or kit patterns have to sync up and fit. The
karma GE's would have to be identified. And we need empty banks
to store and reference the GE's for future use.
Hunting and pecking for the 'right ' GE is time consuming during the song process. My thought is to isolate a group and dial them up when needed.
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GregC
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Keeping track of NAMM and Korg , as it pertains to Kronos and any successor.
3 weeks to 2020 NAMM. No Korg announcements regarding a Kronos successor.
No change in the US Price of the 88, $3799
Given the tea leaves, it seems more probable that there is no change for 2020.
I wouldn't bet money on probability. My assertion is that January 2020 NAMM is the dividing line regarding any new expensive Korg keyboard.
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Poseidon
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| Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| GregC wrote: | 3 weeks to 2020 NAMM. No Korg announcements regarding a Kronos successor.
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It's very unlikely due to a heavy reliance on 3rd parties.
I have a feeling that all broke loose, Kronos 2 meets it's End of Life.
When I've bought mine, I had no idea, that Kronos was 9 yr old.
I made a quick decision based on 2 factors:
1. Kronos was the most expensive, so must be the best.
2. seen Spike Edney playing Kronos ( on YouTube )
Next time I am gonna be less impulsive. |
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GregC
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| Poseidon wrote: | | GregC wrote: | 3 weeks to 2020 NAMM. No Korg announcements regarding a Kronos successor.
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It's very unlikely due to a heavy reliance on 3rd parties.
I have a feeling that all broke loose, Kronos 2 meets it's End of Life.
When I've bought mine, I had no idea, that Kronos was 9 yr old.
I made a quick decision based on 2 factors:
1. Kronos was the most expensive, so must be the best.
2. seen Spike Edney playing Kronos ( on YouTube )
Next time I am gonna be less impulsive. |
I recall Kronos in 2011 was all by itself, so it was convincing back then.
Things have changed in the past 8-9 yrs, other gear choices have appeared.
Now I over analyze every major purchase. I am sparse on keys, in that 2 major keyboards is enough for my needs, etc
You make a good point- the many 3rd party sample creators give the Kronos buyer incredible versatility and uniqueness.
None of the other hardware choices have that fantastic choice for sample streaming
I am not comparing to a DAW and VST's. Which might sound short sighted.
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Poseidon
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| Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| GregC wrote: |
You make a good point- the many 3rd party sample creators give the Kronos buyer incredible versatility and uniqueness.
None of the other hardware choices have that fantastic choice for sample streaming
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It's about KARMA and Linux as well. GPLv3 prohibits vendors from using GPL-licensed code on systems that prevent third parties from installing their own software. The core of Kronos cannot be futher developed unless it is redone by Korg, not 3rd party. |
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BobTheDog
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| Poseidon wrote: | | BobTheDog wrote: |
This has got to be one of the worst posts I have seen on this forum.
Do you really think that all the Mac audio users in the world do these totally unnecessary things?
Total rubbish! |
If Korg did it to Kronos, why not Mac users to their Macs ?
It is true, this approach is not for an average users,
it is solely for those who want to squeeze every drop of juice from their mac.
That way the latency is the Lowest, more CPU threads are yours up for grabs, Peripheral busses are free for heavy audio related traffic, and the system become more stable.
I don’t call it unnecessary things.
If you could only compare the activity log, optimized to ordinary mac, perhaps your opinion would change.
The post is simply a REMINDER, that dedicated audio workstation like Kronos can be built on a Mac, and that the keyboard based workstation are more stable is a MYTH. There is only no portability factor. |
You need to look at things with some kind of perspective, these macs are using hugely powerful processors, the Kronos isn't. Totally different things.
For years we have had the rubbish of setting up windows up for "Audio" with folks giving advice of disabling stuff where really nearly all issues were caused by stalls on the bus from crap hardware/firmware/drivers. I have never seen this rubbish stated for macs. |
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Jan1
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| Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| GregC wrote: | Keeping track of NAMM and Korg , as it pertains to Kronos and any successor.
3 weeks to 2020 NAMM. No Korg announcements regarding a Kronos successor.
No change in the US Price of the 88, $3799
Given the tea leaves, it seems more probable that there is no change for 2020.
I wouldn't bet money on probability. My assertion is that January 2020 NAMM is the dividing line regarding any new expensive Korg keyboard. |
The same here in Europe.
Major retailers have the KRONOS 2015 in stock, so I think you're right and there will be no KRONOS successor at NAMM.
The tea leaves know more than I do about the rest of 2020. |
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Lightbringer
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Looks like Korg has been working on this instead of a Kronos successor.
https://youtu.be/w02vgKHBb8M |
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GregC
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I had the Triton and the Extreme . Familiar with all the expansions/EXB's/PCM's
MOSS was its own beast, call it a sound engine. history:
The Korg Z1 uses the same Multi-Oscillator Synthesis System (MOSS) tone generator found in the Korg Prophecy.
MOSS had an author/creator distinct from Korg people. I vaguely recall the creator passed away and 'ownership ' transitioned. I think Stanford U was involved but this is hazy memory.
Since MOSS is not in the collection, the above might be a cause.
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Lightbringer
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| Sounds like it might be something like that. I'd never heard of MOSS but a quick read on it seems like it's been abandoned by Korg after the Triton era. |
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