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Kevin Nolan Approved Merchant
Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 2524 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Sharp wrote: | Kevin Nolan wrote: | So everybody's done with learning, knowing and using in a deep, meaningful and regular way:
- Jazz performance on the Kronos pianos and drawbar organ?
- MS20Ex, PolySixEx, AL-1, STR-1, MOD-7
- Karma
- Waves equencing and Vector Synthesis
- Dynamic MIDI
- AMS
- 14 effects processors with over a hundred effects alforithms
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you're done with all those - right? And need extra things because you've exhausted all that can be done with them - right? |
That’s ironic coming from you given the vast amount of synths in your ever growing collection.
Regards
Sharp. |
Errr - oh yeah! I'd forgotten about that.
Come on Korg - where' the new Kronos ??? |
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Jan1 Platinum Member
Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 765
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:18 am Post subject: |
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GregC wrote: | Jan1 wrote: | GregC wrote: | The new color chassis thing is like Korg printing money. They know the cosmetics and limited supply will sell out, close to MSRP. |
And with that money they are buying time to finish the successor.
Probably next year.
Considering what KORG is capable of the competition better not rest on their laurels. |
Or Korg could toss us a treat this month, and do some kind of Kronos upgrade plus a new sample lib. They did this last year. Jan 2019. |
Upgrade: not likely, free sample library: that would be a nice gesture. |
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:25 am Post subject: |
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Kevin Nolan wrote: | [q
Errr - oh yeah! I'd forgotten about that.
Come on Korg - where' the new Kronos ??? |
Now I expect the universe to listen to our many demands, lazy or otherwise _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
Achieve your musical dreams
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Chrutil Full Member
Joined: 21 May 2011 Posts: 194 Location: San Rafael, California
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:19 am Post subject: |
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Clearly Dan’s team at Korg USA has been hard at work on the new WaveState, so if there is a new workstation in the works, it’s not coming from the team that brought you Oasys/Kronos...
But yay, meanwhile we have MS-20 in spanking new colors, and a Kronos with new makeup... _________________ Korg Kronos 88 #444 /3GB, MU modular synth, PPG Wave 2.3, Modal Electronics 002, TTSH, Oberheim Two Voice Pro, Deckard's Dream, Kijimi, MatrixBrute, Access Virus KC, Ensoniq EPS, Korg Microsampler, Behringer Model D, Behringer Pro~1, Roland JP-08, Roland VP-03, Roland JD-08, Roland TR-8, Akai MPC-X, Roland TD-12 V-Drums, Fender Precision Bass, Martin Custom D Guitar, Sterling JP-60 Guitar, PRS Santana SE Guitar (signed), Logic Pro X, Pulsar P900 Series, Arturia V Collection 6 as well as various iPad & soft synths.
Download the Korg Kronos AL-1/Polysix Graphical Editor |
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Kevin Nolan Approved Merchant
Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 2524 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:07 am Post subject: |
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GregC wrote: | Kevin Nolan wrote: | [q
Errr - oh yeah! I'd forgotten about that.
Come on Korg - where' the new Kronos ??? |
Now I expect the universe to listen to our many demands, lazy or otherwise |
I'm so inconsistent in any case - I was arguing for a new Korg workstation only the other day on another thread
(it's called "grumpy old man" syndrome !! ) |
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maphill Full Member
Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Posts: 217
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Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:30 pm Post subject: My pet theory... |
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My pet theory is that the Nautilus will be the Kronos successor. It will have most of the Kronos capabilities and they are developing chunks of improved technology that will distinguish the Nautilus from the Kronos. It will have Wavestate-level wave sequencing, for example.
And Dan said that they recorded some new orchestral samples, some of which are sourced by the Wavestate. I'd be surprised if they did those recordings just for the Wavestate, so I'm betting on a lot of improved orchestral content on the Nautilus.
And there was the Opsix hint at NAMM... perhaps they are currently working on an improved FM engine that would end up in the Nautilus as well.
The biggest question in my mind is when the Nautilus will come out (and how many more chunks of improved tech we'll see in "smaller" keyboards between now and then). I'm currently thinking NAMM 2021.
AND, my hope is that it will have OAYSYS/Fantom-like slider lights and rotary encoders with lights.
If all this happens, I would be selling some synths in a hurry...
Mark _________________ Korg KRONOS 73, Trinity Pro, Monotron,
Roland FA-06 and Fantom 6, Roland TDK-15
Big Knob, Sonar (Previously, OASYS 76) |
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afr Senior Member
Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 315
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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Is difficult to predict what the new NAUTILUS will be, but there are a couple of interview to DAN PHILIPS and MICHELE PACIULLI that can give an idea about the future direction that Korg will take
DAN Interview https://www.musiciansfriend.com/thehub/korg-wavestate-synthesizer-announced
We've also created fundamental technologies used in many other Korg products, most recently including the Grandstage and VOX Continental.
PACIULLI Interview https://www.smstrumentimusicali.it/michele-paciulli-korg-m1/
Talking about the VOX
MP: “La promessa di una nuova tecnologia”, perché questo strumento cela una piattaforma inedita, che potrebbe portare la storia di Korg a vette interessanti.
Translation: the promise of a new technology ”, because this tool uses an unprecedented platform, which could lead the history of Korg to interesting peaks
Looks like VOX and GrandStage uses a new technology developed by the R&D Dept. in California
As far as I know VOX and Grandstage are not PC based, so I think that is a new multi engine sound chip newly developed |
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Andi
Joined: 24 Apr 2018 Posts: 14
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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:11 am Post subject: |
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Kevin Nolan wrote: | So everybody's done with learning, knowing and using in a deep, meaningful and regular way:
- Jazz performance on the Kronos pianos and drawbar organ?
- MS20Ex, PolySixEx, AL-1, STR-1, MOD-7
- Karma
- Waves equencing and Vector Synthesis
- Dynamic MIDI
- AMS
- 14 effects processors with over a hundred effects alforithms
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you're done with all those - right? And need extra things because you've exhausted all that can be done with them - right? |
The user unfriendly data driven OS from 1995 makes the machine look more deep than it is. The sequencer is still just a tape for midi events and worse than the M3's. No wonder people have problems using it. I hope at least the RH3 keybed is now working properly.
I still use my Fantom G. The technology is old, but the UI is still much better.
Making a multilayered multisample is soooooo much easier on the FG. Kronos OS is a unwieldy mess. The filepath length is still 76 characters. Am I right? _________________ Korg M3 XP & Radias Card; Fantom G6; V-Synth, System-8; JD-XA; Kawai K5000 S; KingKORG; SY77; Casio MZ-X500; GW-8 |
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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The user unfriendly data driven OS from 1995 makes the machine look more deep than it is. The sequencer is still just a tape for midi events and worse than the M3's. No wonder people have problems using it. I hope at least the RH3 keybed is now working properly.
I still use my Fantom G. The technology is old, but the UI is still much better.
Making a multilayered multisample is soooooo much easier on the FG. Kronos OS is a unwieldy mess. The filepath length is still 76 characters. Am I right?[/quote]
I think the SEQ is a love/hate thing.
my personal gripe is the tiny font on most of the tabs, etc. If I had good reading eye sight , I might not be as grumpy about tiny fonts.
Other than that, I love the SEQ and I am productive using it with 70 songs on my SoundCloud.
But I have spent many months 1/1 helping folks get there brains into the SEQ and basic nav so I understand the learning curve etc. _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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burningbusch Approved Merchant
Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 1203 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Andi wrote: |
The user unfriendly data driven OS from 1995 makes the machine look more deep than it is. The sequencer is still just a tape for midi events and worse than the M3's. No wonder people have problems using it. I hope at least the RH3 keybed is now working properly.
I still use my Fantom G. The technology is old, but the UI is still much better.
Making a multilayered multisample is soooooo much easier on the FG. Kronos OS is a unwieldy mess. The filepath length is still 76 characters. Am I right? |
Thanks for the GearSlutz slag on the Kronos UI. I've noticed it's ALWAYS 1995. No, the engines are in fact deep and not a simple sample-playback system based on technology from the early 1980s.
The sequencer supports 16 tracks MIDI and 16 tracks audio, so no it's more than a tape for MIDI events.
The RH3 issues are ancient history. At least Korg acknowledged the issue and provided free repair. Unlike so many other manufacturers who NEVER acknowledge issues and only offer the most basic bug fix updates for a short time after release and then seem to forget the product even exists.
I believe the Fantom G maxes at four-velocity layers per program. In comparison, the Kronos allows up to 16 velocity layers, full stereo. I had the Fantom X back in the day and the load time for a few hundred MBs of samples was horrible. Regarding the complexity of creating multi-samples, the other day I used SampleRobot Pro 6.5 to sample some of my VSTi pianos. After setting up some basic parameters in SampleRobot, I let it sample in the background. As the process is done much faster than realtime, in far less than an hour I had an eight-velocity, every note sampled to full duration version of the VSTi. I then chose to export to the Kronos and a .KSC was created. After bringing the files into the Kronos I loaded them and created a quick program to reference those samples. Simple as can be. Sonically the Kronos versions are very close to the originals. I suppose some people still use the internal sampled editing for the creation of the multi-samples, though with the software utilities that can be used instead, it's rather pointless.
So in my Kronos at the moment I have the three very large SGX-2 pianos (German, Berlin, Japanese) as well as resampled versions of the following VSTi pianos:
Ivory Steinway
Ivory Yamaha C7
TrueKeys American Grand
The Maverick from Native Instruments
HammerSmith
Piano in Blue
Plus several of my libraries, plus the KAPro EXs19 Private Collection, plus of course, all the other sounds that come standard on the Kronos.
AND I still have enough RAM remaining (211 MB) to load, which thanks to disk streaming, the equivalent of many gigabytes of samples, in fact, more than any Roland sampler ever made. Disk streaming is how sampling should be done and it's sad that the likes of Roland, Yamaha and Nord haven't figured this out. BTW there are, by my count, in excess of 275 3rd-party sample and sound libraries available at the Korg Web Store plus others not found in the store.
There was an issue with loading certain files with paths longer than 50 characters, but that was fixed in an update a long time ago. I don't know the upper limits of the Kronos file path, I suspect it's 256. I easily exceed 76 characters on my system.
Having a pretty interface is nice but hardly essential. I doubt most people would choose a vastly inferior product just because they like the UI.
Busch. _________________ Kronos 73, Nautilus 61, Vox Continental 73, Monologue, Yamaha Montage 8, Rhodes Suitcase, Yamaha VL-1, Roland V-Synth, Yamaha AvantGrand, Minimoog Model D, Studio Electronics Omega 8, CSS, Spitfire, VSL, LASS, Sample Modeling, Ivory, Komplete 12, Spectrasonics, Cubase, Pro Tools, etc.
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theescapist
Joined: 01 Jul 2011 Posts: 17
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Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Whatever happened to the platinum limited edition Kronos from NAMM? It's even on Wikipedia now. Thought it'd be announced by now _________________ Kronos 6 SE + Fantom 8 |
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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theescapist wrote: | Whatever happened to the platinum limited edition Kronos from NAMM? It's even on Wikipedia now. Thought it'd be announced by now |
Korg doesn't necessarily read/respond to posts here.
My guess is that the Platinum is going to have limited supply. Thus Korg won't make a big deal promoting it. I don't recall if Korg promised any dates at NAMM.
If you are in the US, suggest you call Sweetwater to see what they know. _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
Achieve your musical dreams
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theescapist
Joined: 01 Jul 2011 Posts: 17
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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GregC wrote: | theescapist wrote: | Whatever happened to the platinum limited edition Kronos from NAMM? It's even on Wikipedia now. Thought it'd be announced by now |
Korg doesn't necessarily read/respond to posts here.
My guess is that the Platinum is going to have limited supply. Thus Korg won't make a big deal promoting it. I don't recall if Korg promised any dates at NAMM.
If you are in the US, suggest you call Sweetwater to see what they know. |
Nah, it's more a curiosity than anything else. My next keyboard will replace my Roland; my red Kronos will stick around until Korg comes up with a compelling successor _________________ Kronos 6 SE + Fantom 8 |
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Gargamel314 Platinum Member
Joined: 25 Dec 2007 Posts: 1146 Location: Carneys Point, NJ
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:01 am Post subject: |
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I've abandoned using a DAW for sequencing on the Kronos and now use the on-board sequencer to record tracks.
I find the interface extremely clunky (moving a MIDI event just one tick into the next measure is such a pain), but it's tried and true. At least using the sequencer isn't much of a learning curve if you've used anything since the Trinity. Input lag on the interface is surprising for such a powerful workstation (when I change songs, it's disconcerting that it takes a second or two to do it - other pages are not as slow, but still not as snappy as you'd expect). I would sell my left kidney for PRV in sequencer mode. That being said, I'm still very satisfied with the Kronos. I have yet to exhaust what we've been given.
It's a shame it took 20 years to get another black workstation...
Korg ... my kidneys are in awesome shape... _________________ Korg Kronos-61, 01/Wfd, SONAR Pro |
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afr Senior Member
Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 315
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:59 am Post subject: |
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I use the onboard SEQ, I can do everything I want and also the editing is pretty fast and easy
here a little example of a song 100% made with/on Kronos
Only the final mastering has been done on cubase+waves plugin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdB1HKW23oo |
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