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BR · Last edited by BR on Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:56 pm; edited 1 time in total

Hi,
I have a factory style (4/4) that I use for my performances (Pa4X).
It starts with Intro 1 and then Variation 2.

Now I want to insert a Fill 2 between Intro 1 and V2,
that means, after Intro 1 I need to switch to Fill 2 and then to V2.

I imported the style (Shift + Export) into my DAW, edited the way I wanted by separating the Style Elements by markers (Intro 1 > Fill2 > V2).

I imported the result into my Pa4X (Shift + Import), tested but it's not playing in the order I arranged in my DAW.
After the Intro 1 it switches directly to V2, not playing Fill2 , not good.

Is it possible to do so?
If possible , I would appreciate any help/input to achieve this job.

Thanks.

korg1 · Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:58 pm Post subject:

just extend intro1,put intro1+fill both in intro 1 if they both use same sounds.
This way you can jump to v2 by letting the whole intro (including fill) play,
or just after intro part ,press v2 and jump there (without fill).
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Sam CA · Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:03 pm Post subject:

BR,
DAW markers have nothing to do with how Style elements are being played on the keyboard. It doesn't matter in what order you place the markers in your DAW. Those markers are just meant to separate different elements (of any order), so when you shift-import , everything will be imported in one go. That's all there's to it.

I would save that style in a user slot. Import both Intro 1 and Fill 1 in your DAW. Get rid of the marker for Fill 1 and edit the whole thing as Intro 1. Factory styles have short intros, so I don't think you'll max out the 32 bar limitation. (There's a workaround for that too).

Once your edits are complete:

1) Import that midi into Intro 1. Don't hold shift. It's just one sequence anyway. Now the whole Intro 1 is gonna play out the way you wanted.

or

2) If you don't use Intro 3, import that modified Intro 1 in Intro 3. This way, you have the original Intro 1 and the edited version all within the same style.
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BR · Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:21 pm Post subject:

Thanks korg 1 & Sam for your replies.

Sam, I did as you suggested, edited, combined the Intro and Fill and imported the file as Intro 1 into Pa4X and it worked.
The only thing I need to correct is to change the sounds of Acc1 & Acc2 to Factory sounds (Piano + Guitar) after the Intro 1 switches to Fill 2 at exactly measure 20.

Intro 1 length: 19 measures (there are 2 audio files assigned to Acc1 & Acc2, they keep playing when switching to Fill in, not sound good)
Fill 2 length: 1 measure (all Acc's are Factory sounds)

So how can I change the sounds of Acc1 & Acc2 at the measure 20 for the Fill in?
I know how to change the sounds of Style Elements in Style record mode but I don't know how
to do it for a combined style element ( Intro + Fill in).

Thanks

fResH_ · Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:32 am Post subject:

BR · Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:13 pm Post subject:

Sam CA · Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:01 am Post subject:

No , you can't have a program change message on the same track within the SAME style element. So in your case whatever is assgined to ACC1, that would be the only program change assignment throughout for the remaining sequence of Intro 1.

I've done arrangements like this....where a certain track stops playing at say bar 20 and another track picks up the rest of the melody with a different sound. See if there is an empty track available. If not, you could still do this by replacing the content of a track(s) that has the least musical importance. Then you can copy those measures - that require a program change- to an empty dedicated track of their own. Depending on how complex the style is, this may or may not be a simple task. Things to watch for:

1) You do not wanna mess with Guitar mode enabled tracks. Also make sure your new sound is compatible with the track type of the new track.

2) Some tracks are assigned to FX that may not be suitable for that particular sound you'd like to use
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BR · Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:42 pm Post subject:

Korghelper · Platinum Member Joined: 26 Jul 2017 Posts: 584

BR · Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:12 am Post subject:

Sam CA · Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:52 pm Post subject:

Just delete the notes from bar 19. Do not delete the bars...but the midi notes within bar 19 for those 2 tracks. So bar 19 is going to be there, but won't have any midi events for tracks ACC1 & 2.
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BR · Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:59 pm Post subject:

Sam CA · Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:54 pm Post subject:

korg1 · Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:40 am Post subject:

Didn't read the whole conversation but as i can understand,you are somehow out of tracks.

Well in case this happens,there are still some tricks you can use :

trick1 : create a new sound that could somehow match with the sound you want to add for the specific track ,let's say there is an pad on track ACC4,and you need a piano....create a new sound that has both sounds
splited,and just transpose if needed one from these two sounds so they don't play on the top of each other.

trick 2 :
assign some sounds on Pads.

trick 3 :
why don't you just press fill button after intro 1?
I don't know what doesn't sound right to you if you do that,could you give more details?

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Korghelper · Platinum Member Joined: 26 Jul 2017 Posts: 584

You say the audio loop is four bars long? That’s your problem, I guess. The Intro plays four bar chunks, but you want to stop in the middle of the fifth iteration (four whole loops and three bars of the fifth time round), right?

Chopping into one bar chunks would fix this, or one three bar chunk and one one bar chunk.